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Old December 26 2011, 02:09 AM   #211
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Re: What continuity errors are there on Voyager?

Have I had too much of a Christmas tipple or is that....not in English?
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Old December 26 2011, 03:12 AM   #212
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Nipple. Christmas Nipple.

Never mind.

Christmas is full of unexplainable mysteries and magic.
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Old December 26 2011, 03:45 AM   #213
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If they had done other stories where they stayed in one area for more than one episode, the reaction would still be negative in that they weren't always on the move.
They just needed better villains than the Kazon, I think it was the Kazon they were reacting negatively to for good reason - they were crap. I think people would have loved a Year of Hell season but I guess that's where they suffered from studio involvement and then Brannon lost all ambition.
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Old December 26 2011, 04:12 AM   #214
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The story/history/motives of the kazon was interesting and extensive...

The costume, and make-up departments screwed the pooch.
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Old December 26 2011, 06:10 AM   #215
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I agree
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Old December 26 2011, 08:02 PM   #216
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Crew compliment numbers

Voyager had an explicit crew of 127 on it at one point. Do officers and captains not count as crew but Tuvok and Chakotay do?
Okay, this is from wiki: Ship's complement, the number of persons in a Ship's Company, including both commissioned officers and crew.

As I understand it, a Captain might speak of "his crew," and colloquially include the officers in that group, but strictly speaking, the crew would be the enlisted personnel only.

EMH: Green blooded Vulcan through and through. Well, two down, one hundred and twenty five to go.
KIM: Fifteen years ago, I made a mistake and one hundred and fifty people died.
A bit of guess work here, the Voyager was shown from time to time carrying passagers, Harry's 150 figure could be reflecting that.

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Old December 27 2011, 02:25 AM   #217
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You can't explain away the crew numbers fluctuating logically, without absurd leaps of logic, heaps of delusion ridiculous and fanwankage such as suggesting the ship was carrying passengers in "Timeless" (on the way to earth? Really?)

In The 37s, there are 154 crew members
In Distant Origin, there are 147 lifesigns detected on the ship
In In the Flesh, there is said to be 127 crewmembers
In Dark Frontier, there are 143 lifesigns on Voyager
In Gravity, there are said to be 154 people on Voyager
In Someone to Watch Over me, there are 146 crewmembers
In Author, Author, there are still 146 despite deaths

The showrunners just didn't care about "little details" like the number of crew, that's what it came down to.
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Old December 27 2011, 03:36 AM   #218
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I assumed when the ship is being scanned by other species, their counting lifesigns onboard. If crewmen are on away missions for supplies, their lifesigns wouldn't show up. That's my reasoning on why the crew compliment shifts.
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Old December 27 2011, 05:14 AM   #219
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And some sections like engineering are heavily shielded.

Then of course against some opponents, it may have been wise to fake sensor readings and her crew manifest for larger and smaller totals.

Also.

I'm sure that we actually viewed many timelines/mirror universes and not a continuous story.

Because for every happy outcome, it will allso all lead to disaster, and the story telling would have to back up a couple months to a branch in the itmelines where that balls up was less inevitable no matter what other conflicitng changes were in places as well.

Cherry picking the multiverse.

Like in Community a few months back.
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Old December 27 2011, 05:43 AM   #220
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I always keep hearing that the continuity on Voyager is horrible. That things would change from one episode to the next.

Well, I don't want to get into a debate. That is not why I started this thread. But I am curious to know what issues there are within the series, though.

Any or all help would be appreciated.


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Old December 27 2011, 11:28 AM   #221
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fanwankage such as suggesting the ship was carrying passengers in "Timeless"
Gee, that's a little harsh isn't it? And it wasn't a suggestion, it was a guess (if you go back and read my post, I did call it a guess).

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I assumed when the ship is being scanned by other species, their counting lifesigns onboard.
The Doctor would be counted by the Captain and others as part of the ship's compliment, but of course would not appear on sensors as a lifeform.

When the Enterprise Dee first encountered the Borg, there were no lifesigns, went Riker and others beamed aboard all the Borg were in their alcoves. When Seven is regenerating in her alcove, she likely doesn't appear as a lifeform.

(but that a guess)

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Old December 27 2011, 01:31 PM   #222
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None of this would explain the changes that I mentioned. When Voyager is carrying people we know and in most instances when the number of crew is mentioned - it is by one of the crew except in "Dark Frontier" and "Distant Origin" and somehow I doubt Voth and Borg sensors are inaccurate!
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Old December 28 2011, 03:40 AM   #223
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Honestly, 5 out of the 7 eps. you mentioned are really good, so I never paid enough attention to small details like that. I didn't see how knowing the crew compliment directly affected the show or story.
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Old December 28 2011, 07:54 PM   #224
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^well it might not effect the story(episode), but for the show as a whole it might be considered by some not caring about the small details.

Yes sometimes for the sake of dramatic purposes, things are overlooked. But if we want to discuss crew for a moment. Each and every loss has an impact on characters. A particular skill set might be lost, a friend/lover is gone etc... You have to work extra to cover shifts that they did etc.. Thefre is a whole range of things that could have been explored with diminishing crew numbers
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Old December 28 2011, 10:02 PM   #225
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Honestly, 5 out of the 7 eps. you mentioned are really good, so I never paid enough attention to small details like that. I didn't see how knowing the crew compliment directly affected the show or story.
It wouldn't affect the quality of the particular episodes, but it affects my opinion of the show as a whole. Voyager was less than the sum of its parts for things like this.
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