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Old November 29 2012, 12:14 AM   #616
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My engineering deck plan drafts for decks 14, 13 and 12 are now ready to be examined.
Thanx for everyone's patience and support!

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.ph...52#post7318252

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Old November 29 2012, 04:38 AM   #617
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But overall, very nice.
I agree - it was quite enjoyable to watch.
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Old December 6 2012, 02:12 PM   #618
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This was posted in the are there 3 engine rooms in the TOS Enterprise? thread:

Two engine rooms in the engineering hull, staggered, to fit in a 947' ship.

What was interesting about that thread is that the engine crew and Kirk in "The Immunity Syndrome" all were thrown towards the entrance of the room when the ship jerked forward. That would suggest that this particular room, with the EMM having a different console, was on the port side, with the entrance facing aft. For contrast, the bridge crew went to the back of the bridge in the same episode when accelerating forward.

What that also means is that the engine room is going to get more crowded by these big rooms quicker than I had planned

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Old December 6 2012, 02:57 PM   #619
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Good work all around Peter! Will be coll to have a anim showing a tour when finished.
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Old December 6 2012, 03:53 PM   #620
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You mentioned that the Engine Rooms are making space pretty tight, but what scale are you currently working at? A while ago you roughly calculated (from the size of the shuttlebay as seen on screen) the length of the ship to be around 1143'. Is that still the case or have you revised this figure?
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Old December 7 2012, 02:57 AM   #621
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@Starship - Thanks One day a walk through. Yes, definitely.

@Mytran - This mockup was still for a 947' ship. I wanted to make some more tries at scaling the shuttlebay so I still go to the 947' version for quick mockups
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Old December 7 2012, 11:07 AM   #622
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Aha! That makes sense.
When you talk about "scaling" the shuttlebay do you simply mean about determining the scaled up size of the miniature as it appears on screen?
Or is your intention to take the forced perspective and model extrapolate out the non-forced dimensions?

Hope that came out right!
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Old December 7 2012, 03:21 PM   #623
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@Mytran - I think I was not precise in my meaning as well

I'm rebuilding the flight deck again and once done, I'll scale the external model that is already built to it (if necessary). Basically matching the openings up.

Some of the constraints I'm operating on and/or changing are:
1. The exterior opening needs to match the interior opening size (scale)
2. I'm using the 21-22' shuttle length.
3. The Observation Deck in "The Conscience of the King" when I first modeled it, I "corrected" the walls to make it more parallel. I am changing it back to "as-seen" where it gets wider as it approaches the camera. This will change where I can place it but it also means it won't factor as much into the gap between the interior of the flight deck and the exterior of the ship.

So some changes are coming
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Old December 7 2012, 03:43 PM   #624
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That's a very interesting arrangement, possibly one room for each nacelle, slight variation in mechanics in each room.
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Old December 7 2012, 03:51 PM   #625
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Marvellous! Can't wait

Your setplan extrapolation talents with CGI are incredibly useful (not mention yielding fascinating results at times)

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Old December 9 2012, 04:01 AM   #626
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I'm not ready to post an image yet, but after rebuilding the flight deck this time using the bay door, elevator and the triple launch/recovery rails as a guide with a 22' shuttle, the flight deck fit in a 947' ship (barely). Then I added those bays on the sides and that made it not fit

So I slowly scaled the exterior hull until those bays fit. My current scaled ship is now: 330.58m or 1,084 feet.
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Old December 9 2012, 04:53 AM   #627
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Screenshot

And if you're wondering, yes, the rails/elevator/turntable is not on the flight deck centerline.

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Old December 9 2012, 09:30 AM   #628
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Cool! I'm more and more in the 1080' camp myself. I like 947' for the obvious traditional reasons... but 1080' just makes more and more sense to me...

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Old December 9 2012, 02:14 PM   #629
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Curious - why is the centre of the miniature not on the centreline? Or it this just part of the WIP?
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Old December 9 2012, 05:35 PM   #630
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It would appear that the model makers were a little off on the centerline. When I place the rails centerline, the walls are clearly shifted a little bit.

I'll look through some behind the scenes photo and see if that is the case there and I just didn't notice it as much the first time around.

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