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Old September 16 2010, 06:18 PM   #241
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Re: TOS Enterprise WIP

That's one of the most incredible Star Trek-related graphics I've ever seen. How you were able to make the "shapes" on the bottom of the hull correspond with actual components of the power-generation system is fantastic. I enthusiastically await your next update.
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Old September 16 2010, 07:14 PM   #242
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Damn, mattpiper beat me to it, I was going to say that!
Needless to say, this is very impressive work. It's great how the M/AM reactor (despite being based on the TNG shape) fits so well with the hatch on the bottom of the E.
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Old September 17 2010, 01:22 AM   #243
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Okay, you win.

I could definitely get behind this layout. I think you've figured it out.

What else can I say?

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Old September 17 2010, 04:24 AM   #244
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I suggest that Blssdwlf should petition T'Bonz to change his name to "Mathesar", because he's definitely the leader of the Thermians!
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Old September 17 2010, 07:05 AM   #245
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I concur. By Grabthar's hammer, blssdwlf is definitely Mathesar to me.
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Old September 17 2010, 02:16 PM   #246
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Unbelievable work. If I didn't know better I'd say you were a Starfleet Engineer! Your finished product will deserve publishing.
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Old September 18 2010, 05:00 AM   #247
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LOL Thanks guys. I'm working on the S2 layout and doing a little fine-tuning. Afterwards, going to start laying down cabins and hallways based on the s1 episodes. Might do the TWOK torpedo bay though to see how much room I might need in the TOS version.

@Albertese - the idea of the large cargo bay in TMP as where the old machinery was is starting to look very plausible. The general locations are about the same and when I put some wall and ceiling framework up (TOS-style) it does look like the future TMP setup!
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Old September 18 2010, 05:09 AM   #248
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Brilliant.

I've been looking at your work here again and I notice that you put a grill on the outboard part of the warp coils. I love it! It makes it tie into the rest of the franchise nicely. The TMP ship had grills on both sides of the nacelles, adding them here makes it seem like, even though the ship is very different after it's refit, the technologies aren't totally unrelated. It even fits in line with Drexler's conjectural 5th season Enterprise refit, which would have plated over the outboard openings in Archer's ship's nacelles.

I wonder about the hatches. The ventral ones on the hull line up very nicely with what you've put inside. I wonder how the nacelle markings add up with the guts. The long rectangle just behind the attaching pylons and the gray shape on the lower front ends of the nacelles ought to line up with something. I wonder how these fit in with your scheme. Also I'm curious what you have planned for the small square and the red rectangle beneath the fantail.

I've seen it suggested that the hatches all over the ship could be color coded. Since you've got an antimatter tank beneath the yellow circle, might there be a tank of some sort beneath the yellow rectangle aft of the bridge? Perhaps for the torpedo warheads? I dunno, on second thought, might not want that right behind the bridge. Well, so much for color coding.

Also I wonder how the guts of the ST5 and ST6 ship fit with the ventral markings there. Could the workings in 1701-A have reverted back to the TOS arrangement? Oh well ... That's a whole 'nother project.

All in all, this project it top notch. Right up there with Shaw's work. I must admit, all day today at work I was thinking about your engineering set-up. Few of these TrekBBS projects follow me though the day like that. Thank you for the great work. And keep it up!

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Old September 18 2010, 06:39 PM   #249
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@Alex - thanks for your kind words of encouragement and I'm glad you noticed the outboard grilles

On the nacelle I positioned the m/am components to correspond to the forward ventral gray piece as I've seen the idea of a swappable component on other layouts. The ventral red rectangle hatch behind the pylon I figure could be used to access large parts of the energiser in the nacelle.

The yellow and red hatch behind the bridge I guess could be for some type on in-flight refueling station. (Assuming an aviation model, the B-52, F-105, etc aircraft of the 1960's had their inflight refueling equipment in very close proximity to their cockpit.) When the TMP redesign/refit occurred it could be explained that the area was expanded to also include a personnel docking station as well since the fuel piping was already there

The yellow and red hatch on the port side ventral of the primary hull I'm thinking could be for loading/reloading the photon torpedoes or for refueling the torpedo antimatter tank. I think that when Kirk took command the Enterprise was removed of her lasers and other weaponry and refitted as an all phaser gun ship. After "Balance of Terror", a photon torpedo system was added to the primary hull but instead of running antimatter fuel piping to that location, a small fuel tank was located there instead. In TMP it could be explained that with the relocation of the torpedo launchers to the neck, the EVA room expanded or was returned to it's original location

Anyway, those are my current thoughts on those hatches

Oh as to the bottom hatches on the engineering hull in ST5 and 6, I'm tempted to ignore them since they weren't seen on screen as far as I can tell. I think also the TOS engineering bottom hatches weren't really visible as well but I was lucky to come up with parts that worked out with the shapes. Otherwise, I would've left the TOS hatches as generic markings for other equipment

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Old September 19 2010, 12:16 AM   #250
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WOW. That is amazing work!
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Old September 19 2010, 03:00 PM   #251
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Here's a WIP of the Season 2+ Energiser layout. Not much different except the relocation of the dilithium crystals to the floor structure in the engine room and takes up part of the deck below. The deck below the engine room happens to be the 7th deck in the engineering hull in my particular setup

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Old September 19 2010, 03:09 PM   #252
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Great work this should end up in a technical manual of its own
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Old September 19 2010, 05:01 PM   #253
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Hmmm...interesting arrangement, but I think I'll be sticking with my version. For one thing, I prefer to have the main power conduit further to the interior. Having it that close to the hull makes it way too vulnerable.
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Old September 19 2010, 08:27 PM   #254
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Hmmm...interesting arrangement, but I think I'll be sticking with my version. For one thing, I prefer to have the main power conduit further to the interior. Having it that close to the hull makes it way too vulnerable.
Vulnerable? Vulnerable like the pipes in the pylons? Or the Bridge?

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Old September 19 2010, 09:02 PM   #255
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Why add to those problems by running the main power lines right up against the hull?
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