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Old May 5 2010, 08:04 PM   #31
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Re: Jack Bauer and 24 series on precipice of same mistake ST. TNG made

I'm not saying editing and directing aren't different things. Obviously, they are.

What I was saying was that in his overall deal with Paramount to edit for them, he probably had an added benefit/option to direct as well, and Nemesis just happened to be the slot they gave him.

This kind of optioning happens all the time in Hollywood contracts and has more to do with the people than with the property.

Example: In 1985, Patrick Duffy left Dallas at the end of the season. He came back in the 1986-1987 season, but had his deal to return sweetened with the added option that he could produce and star in another series for Lorimar Telepictures (the production company that made Dallas). Thus, 1991 in when Dallas ended, Duffy went on to star in Step By Step for Lorimar.

Baird directing Nemesis was less about creative instinct or who was best suited to direct the film and simply more about contract options. He only directed two movies by that point, so what? George Lucas had only directed two films before making Star Wars. Spielberg had only made one film by the time he directed Jaws. Additionally, the studio *wanted* someone new to the franchise directing. In retrospect we can now see that this, combined with Logan's awful script led to a serious letdown. But, live and learn.

The point, summarized: It was a business decision by Paramount, not a creative one.
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Old May 6 2010, 12:59 AM   #32
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Not to disagree with your point--it makes perfect sense that Baird ended up on Star Trek: Nemesis to fulfill studio obligations of some sort--but your examples of Spielberg and Lucas aren't the finest ones around. Spielberg was an established television director before coming to Jaws, and had already directed the well-reviewed The Sugarland Express and Duel (though a TV movie, it saw some theatrical distribution). Lucas had only two directing assignments under his belt (beyond his work as a student filmmaker, of course), but he did have a hit with American Graffiti and was also the writer of Star Wars.

Baird, to draw a comparison, had directed two contemporary action films, neither of which was a major hit at the box office, before coming to Star Trek: Nemesis, a film he did not write.
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Old May 6 2010, 01:21 AM   #33
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Fair enough... however the way the point was brought up earlier "Baird had only directed two films before Nemesis" seemed to imply that because of the limited number of directing jobs he'd had, he was thus unqualified. My main point in citing Spielberg and Lucas, who as we all know did have other directing jobs before their big hits, had also only done limited work prior to their first big successes.

I guess my question then becomes -- is the problem the fact that Baird did not have enough experience (in some people's eyes), or is it that he just plain sucks as a director?
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Fair enough... however the way the point was brought up earlier "Baird had only directed two films before Nemesis" seemed to imply that because of the limited number of directing jobs he'd had, he was thus unqualified. My main point in citing Spielberg and Lucas, who as we all know did have other directing jobs before their big hits, had also only done limited work prior to their first big successes.

I guess my question then becomes -- is the problem the fact that Baird did not have enough experience (in some people's eyes), or is it that he just plain sucks as a director?
Well, Baird is an editor....so he would/should have some sense of film narrative.

As I probably mentioned in the movie section, there were couple of issues:

*Baird didn't do his research...i.e. He thought that LaForge was an alien...

*Story flow; certain scenes just didn't need to be there....or tweaked...

*Shinzon wasn't that interesting.

*The film was only marketed to the TNG crowd; it came off as a routine Trek film.
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