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Old April 26 2010, 07:21 PM   #16
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Re: Jack Bauer and 24 series on precipice of same mistake ST. TNG made

They should've brought in "fresh blood" for the movies. The TOS movies had completely different guys behind them. Braga, Berman, Piller and Moore don't seem to have the skills to write movies for the big screen.

A TNG Nicholas Meyer would have been appreciated.
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Old April 26 2010, 08:15 PM   #17
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Yes, as has been said before, "24" is being cancelled because of declining ratings, the only reason anything really gets cancelled. Some shows, like "M*A*S*H" and "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" choose to end on a high but those are the exceptions.

As for a "24" movie, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old April 26 2010, 11:20 PM   #18
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They should've brought in "fresh blood" for the movies. The TOS movies had completely different guys behind them. Braga, Berman, Piller and Moore don't seem to have the skills to write movies for the big screen.

A TNG Nicholas Meyer would have been appreciated.
They sorta tried that with Baird and Logan...
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Old April 28 2010, 01:20 AM   #19
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They should've brought in "fresh blood" for the movies. The TOS movies had completely different guys behind them. Braga, Berman, Piller and Moore don't seem to have the skills to write movies for the big screen.

A TNG Nicholas Meyer would have been appreciated.
They sorta tried that with Baird and Logan...
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(Also, many people, especially myself, think they HAD what it takes for movies, First Contact being the proof. Just not consistently...)
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Old April 28 2010, 01:42 AM   #20
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And I will NEVER understand how they could hire an action movie editor to direct a science fiction movie.
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Old April 28 2010, 04:45 AM   #21
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And I will NEVER understand how they could hire an action movie editor to direct a science fiction movie.
He directed a couple of other action movies. It's not like he had NO experience.

Besides, Trek hired sci-fi actors to direct feature length movies. You have to start somewhere, don't you?
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Old April 28 2010, 12:09 PM   #22
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And I will NEVER understand how they could hire an action movie editor to direct a science fiction movie.
He directed a couple of other action movies. It's not like he had NO experience.

Besides, Trek hired sci-fi actors to direct feature length movies. You have to start somewhere, don't you?
Yeah, Executive Decision and US Marshals. Those were not entirely bad, but for a science fiction movie, you need someone who has a sense for visuals, and not only for action. This lack of sense becomes apparent every time in the movie. "Alien planet environment? Let's just put a yellow filter on the lens." is only one example.

Paramount hired sci-fi actors to direct, but only after they had already done sci-fi episodes to test the waters. And since these actors came from the show, they knew the characters.

Nemesis would have been a lot better had Frakes directed it.
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Old April 28 2010, 12:14 PM   #23
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And I will NEVER understand how they could hire an action movie editor to direct a science fiction movie.
He directed a couple of other action movies. It's not like he had NO experience.

Besides, Trek hired sci-fi actors to direct feature length movies. You have to start somewhere, don't you?
Yeah, Executive Decision and US Marshals. Those were not entirely bad, but for a science fiction movie, you need someone who has a sense for visuals, and not only for action. This lack of sense becomes apparent every time in the movie. "Alien planet environment? Let's just put a yellow filter on the lens." is only one example.

Paramount hired sci-fi actors to direct, but only after they had already done sci-fi episodes to test the waters. And since these actors came from the show, they knew the characters.

Nemesis would have been a lot better had Frakes directed it.
Well, a movie starts with a script.

If the script is shit. No director is going to save it.
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Old April 30 2010, 12:20 AM   #24
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Clean up the script and let Frakes direct it and it would have been First Contact #2, which would have been fine with me.
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Old April 30 2010, 10:43 AM   #25
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There was never going to be anymore TNG either. Cinema was the only avenue left for that series, once Roddenberry died, & included a seven season limitation, in his will.
That is balderdash.

The actors signed the standard Hollywood five-year contract, then negotiated hefty new pay deals for Season Six, and again for Season Seven. Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner priced themselves out of the running for any kind of TV pay deal for an eighth season so, if there was to be any more TNG featuring them, it had to be a feature film.

TV SF spends a lot of money on SPFX and has little left over from the payment of actor salaries.
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Old May 5 2010, 05:46 PM   #26
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That is balderdash.

The actors signed the standard Hollywood five-year contract, then negotiated hefty new pay deals for Season Six, and again for Season Seven. Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner priced themselves out of the running for any kind of TV pay deal for an eighth season so, if there was to be any more TNG featuring them, it had to be a feature film.

TV SF spends a lot of money on SPFX and has little left over from the payment of actor salaries.
Exactly, it was simple economics. The show was becoming too expensive to make, with falling ratings, and plenty of episodes to sell for syndicated reruns.

Paramount wanted a Star Trek show on their new network, and a new Star Trek movie. Since the TOS cast had called it a day, it all added up to the end of TNG, that cast continuing in movies, and a new show on UPN.
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Old May 5 2010, 06:49 PM   #27
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I'm talking about ending the series prematurely to concentrate on a movie franchise...

Look if polled I'd be willing to be a fair share of TNG would have prefered a couple more seasons to the the general misfires that were most of the TNG film series.

I can see 24 doing the same thing. A two hour movie can never compete with the richness a full season of a series can bring.
I think 24, and I am a huge fan, has run its course. When both the lead actor and the creators say pretty much that the show has lost creativity? Its time to end it before it does an XFILES and stays on too long...as for a movie version? I will have to wait and see about that..

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I think it was just a matter of seven seasons being enough episodes to syndicate. GR didn't have anything to do with it. Once the 'tipping point' of seven seasons was reached, it was simply more cost effective to end the show and syndicate the existing episodes.
TNG had enough episodes to syndicate (or re-syndicate) by the end of season 5.

As for 24, maybe you all are watching a different show than me but it's been pretty largely creatively bankrupt for years.

24: Redemption proved they could tell a shortened story in semi-feature format. It only makes sense that given the tropes of the series now being done and re-done to death that they'd go for a bigger-scale production for Jack Bauer.
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And I will NEVER understand how they could hire an action movie editor to direct a science fiction movie.
He directed a couple of other action movies. It's not like he had NO experience.
Superman: The Movie. Casino Royale (2006). Die Hard 2. Tommy. The Omen. Outland. Executive Decision.

Likely, Baird got the directing assignment as part of his overall deal with Paramount. It happens all the time, just depends on how good your agent is. Once again boys and girls it can all be traced to the almighty dollar sign.
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Old May 5 2010, 07:15 PM   #30
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And I will NEVER understand how they could hire an action movie editor to direct a science fiction movie.
He directed a couple of other action movies. It's not like he had NO experience.
Superman: The Movie. Casino Royale (2006). Die Hard 2. Tommy. The Omen. Outland. Executive Decision.

Likely, Baird got the directing assignment as part of his overall deal with Paramount. It happens all the time, just depends on how good your agent is. Once again boys and girls it can all be traced to the almighty dollar sign.
Yet directing and editing are really two entirely different things. He directed only two movies: Executive Decision and US Marshals.
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