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Old May 3 2010, 04:38 PM   #1
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Question about the new 'V' motherships

Just how big are they?
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Old May 3 2010, 05:01 PM   #2
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

According to this site, they are:

a) between 1-3 kilometers across;
b) far too big to make any sense.
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Old May 3 2010, 05:22 PM   #3
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

I can't imagine the amount of power it would require to keep something that big hovering off the ground.

There were definitely shades of Independence Day in the arrival of the ships, though. I doubt the writers were at all concerned with scientific feasibility! It just looks cool!

And I admit, it was cool. If only the rest of the show were so interesting...
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Old May 3 2010, 05:37 PM   #4
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

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There were definitely shades of Independence Day in the arrival of the ships, though.
Independence Day ripped off V, not the other way around.

http://www.thescifiworld.net/intervi...johnson_01.htm
Kenneth Johnson: Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich (who did Independence Day) once cornered me at an awards ceremony and said, "We've always wanted to meet you -- we've been ripping you off for years." Ha ha. We all laughed. But they were telling the truth.
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Old May 3 2010, 05:45 PM   #5
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

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There were definitely shades of Independence Day in the arrival of the ships, though.
Independence Day ripped off V, not the other way around.

http://www.thescifiworld.net/intervi...johnson_01.htm
Kenneth Johnson: Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich (who did Independence Day) once cornered me at an awards ceremony and said, "We've always wanted to meet you -- we've been ripping you off for years." Ha ha. We all laughed. But they were telling the truth.
Yes, well, either way, the whole thing is very derivative. Cool, but derivative.
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Old May 3 2010, 06:17 PM   #6
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There were definitely shades of Independence Day in the arrival of the ships, though.
Independence Day ripped off V, not the other way around.
Of course that's true, since V predated ID4 by 13 years. Then again, the moment I first saw the original V back in 1983, I could tell right off that it was imitating Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 novel Childhood's End:

There had been no warning when the great ships came pouring out of the unknown depths of space. Countless times this day had been described in fiction, but no one had really believed that it would ever come. Now it had dawned at last; the gleaming, silent shapes hanging over every land were the symbol of a science man could not hope to match for centuries. For six days they had floated motionless above his cities, giving no hint that they knew of his existence. But none was needed; not by chance alone could those mighty ships have come to rest so precisely over New York, London, Paris, Moscow, Rome, Cape Town, Tokyo, Canberra. . . .
I'm a lifelong fan of Kenneth Johnson's work, but one thing he's not is original.
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Old May 3 2010, 06:20 PM   #7
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

Yes, well, either way, the whole thing is very derivative. Cool, but derivative.
How can something be self derivative? Were the Centurions in nuBSG derivative, or what about that black car with the swooshy red light in that (mercifully) short lived Knight Rider revival?

To be fair though, as Christopher points out there are other examples in sci-fi that pre-date ID4 and/or the original V. Even District 9 has used the very same imagery. To me though, a fleet of giant ships suddenly appearing over Earth and broadcasting a message for all mankind will forever be the Vogon constructor fleet.
As for who ripped off who, I rather suspect Devlin and Emmerich are more familar with the original V than they are with anything written by Clark. It is after all, not uncommon for something to rip of homage something without realising that it was itself already a rip-off/homage.
A similar example would be the way 'Invasion of the Bodysnaters' has been endlessly copied while the source material itself appears ot have been heavily influenced by (the much better) 'The Puppet Masters'.

As for the ships, they already established that they're powered by magical marbles.
Seriously though, it's no more or less implausible than the anti-gravity and inertial cancelling tech seen in shows like Star Trek, Stargate, Farscape or even BSG with it's magical FTL teleportation drive.

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Old May 3 2010, 07:16 PM   #8
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Of course that's true, since V predated ID4 by 13 years. Then again, the moment I first saw the original V back in 1983, I could tell right off that it was imitating Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 novel Childhood's End:

There had been no warning when the great ships came pouring out of the unknown depths of space. Countless times this day had been described in fiction, but no one had really believed that it would ever come. Now it had dawned at last; the gleaming, silent shapes hanging over every land were the symbol of a science man could not hope to match for centuries. For six days they had floated motionless above his cities, giving no hint that they knew of his existence. But none was needed; not by chance alone could those mighty ships have come to rest so precisely over New York, London, Paris, Moscow, Rome, Cape Town, Tokyo, Canberra. . . .
I'm a lifelong fan of Kenneth Johnson's work, but one thing he's not is original.
But in the passage you quote there, even Clarke admits the idea is not terribly original. "Countless times this day had been described in fiction". If Johnson is unoriginal than so is Clarke.
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Old May 3 2010, 09:10 PM   #9
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^No, you're misreading it. Clarke was referring to "this day" as in the day humanity made first contact with aliens. That doesn't mean that those "countless" prior stories about first contact had described those aliens as hovering over Earth's cities in gigantic ships. Since Clarke says it's been described "countless times," he's obviously talking about the general concept of First Contact, not the specifics of how it happens or what comes next.
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Old May 3 2010, 10:31 PM   #10
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I can't imagine the amount of power it would require to keep something that big hovering off the ground.
Assuming they've got anti-gravity, probably a lot les than accelerating the ship to near-light velocities for inter-stellar flight.
Any sensible engineer would design the ship so that holding station above any vaguely 1G-ish planet would be stand-by power, with more available for boosting for flight.
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Old May 3 2010, 10:53 PM   #11
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^No, any sensible engineer would design the ship to orbit the planet and send down reasonable-sized landing craft. Contrary to what Star Trek and other shows tend to claim, orbit requires no power at all.
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Old May 4 2010, 02:25 AM   #12
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Speaking technically, they are big ASS.

^No, any sensible engineer would design the ship to orbit the planet and send down reasonable-sized landing craft. Contrary to what Star Trek and other shows tend to claim, orbit requires no power at all.
The engineers weren't in charge of the design of those suckers. Think about it from a PR perspective. Anna does.
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

Are the Visitor motherships in this version bigger than the ones in the original?
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Old May 4 2010, 02:34 AM   #14
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Are the Visitor motherships in this version bigger than the ones in the original?
I'm not sure how reliable it is, but this site says the original motherships were 3.2 kilometers or more in circumference, which means a bit over 1 km in diameter (circumference = pi x diameter). I'm not sure that sounds quite right. But going from memory and impressions, I'd say the old and new ships are roughly the same size.
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Old May 4 2010, 02:55 AM   #15
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Re: Question about the new 'V' motherships

The original V claimed they were 3 miles across. I'm not sure it's quoted in the dialog, but I distinctly remember it in the summary/previews of the first or second mini-series. Most likely The Final Battle. I can still hear that narrator's voice stressing "three miles across."
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