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Old April 15 2010, 02:33 PM   #1
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Supernatural5x18"Point of No Return" spoilerish/discussion

New episode tonight, good people. I, of course, will be stuck at a late night meeting. It's supposed to be a milestone episode. They sent advance copies out to media. Reviews have been very enthusiastic. I'll have to watch it tomorrow after work. sigh
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Old April 15 2010, 03:49 PM   #2
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what in blazes do you do Dorian, that involves working late, thus missing Supernatural? If you don't mind me askin...
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Old April 15 2010, 04:11 PM   #3
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I'm a sales manager for a hotel chain. Sometimes clients want to have meetings in the evenings. C'est la vie. It's a living.
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Old April 15 2010, 04:17 PM   #4
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ahh i see. yeah my schedule's not very "9 to 5-ey" either. I'm a shooter/editor for a design company and sometimes i have really late shoots, like last night. Looking forward to the episode though.
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Old April 15 2010, 11:51 PM   #5
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I will be shot for saying this, but is it to much to hope that Castiel dies tonight?

I really love the character, but dread, dread the staff keeping him for season 6. My single biggest fear for season 6 (well that and it sucking of course).
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Old April 16 2010, 12:12 AM   #6
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Dear SN writing/Production Staff please let these last 5 episodes be B or better episodes. I really would like to say this season is my 2nd favorite. If you can maintain a B average (though I would love some A- or better, after all I am asking nicely) to the end I will be able to. I don't think I am asking to much.

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Old April 16 2010, 12:49 AM   #7
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EW Weekly picks its ten favorite episodes

Pilot
A Very Supernatural Christmas
No Rest for the Wicked
Abandon All Hope
In the Beginning
Mystery Spot
What Is and What Should Never Be
In My Time of Dying
All Hell Breaks Loose, Part Two
Lazarus Rising

Honorable mention to : Born Under a Bad Sign, Sympathy for the Devil, Heaven & Hell and Nightshifter.

UGH Heaven & Hell (in my opinion season 4 worst episode). Oh well at least no crappy meta episodes.

So curious where 100 episodes in, what are your favorites?

In no order
In My Time of Dying (SN first great episode)
Born Under a Bad Sign
What Is and What Should Never Be
Jus in Bello
Lazarus Rising
On the Head of a Pin
The Monster ar the End of the Book
Time Is On My Side
Abandon All Hope
In the Beginning

Honorable mention Faith, NightShifter, All Hell Break's Loose II (the character moments of this episode are simply a joy to behold), A Supernatural Christmas (just needed a little more bite, sorry), Fresh Blood (if it wasn't for the soft teaser it would make my top ten, character and action in a near perfect mix), No Rest for the Wicked (a Great episode dragged down by the scenes with the family), Monster Movie (A great enjoyable send off to classic horror, but out of place in that season), The End, and My Bloody Valentine.
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Old April 16 2010, 01:51 AM   #8
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Re: Supernatural5x18"Point of No Return" spoilerish/discussion

Is it sad that I'm almost nervous about watching tonight's episode? After last week I'm trying to steel myself and figure it will all turn out for the best in the end, but that end game won't come until 4 weeks from now!

I don't think I've been this amped up for the final run of a show's season...ever except maybe last season of Supernatural. I just hope we don't end up with another frustrating cliffhanger like we did last time, but knowing Kripke we probably will because he knows there is another season now.

Top ten favorite episodes in chronological order:
Pilot
Faith
Devil's Trap (You shoot me now, son! Ooo...the angst)
In My Time of Dying
Hunted (sorry...really liked Ava, wish we'd seen more of her)
Born Under a Bad Sign
All Hell Breaks Lose, Pt II
Lazarus Rising
Mystery Spot
The End

Honorable mentions to Tall Tales, Bloody Mary, The Song Remains the Same
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Old April 16 2010, 02:52 AM   #9
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Re: Supernatural5x18"Point of No Return" spoilerish/discussion

how about a rousing chorus of Oz's The witch is dead..... I'm glad castial has not parished in this episode.... but do sing a gleeful song at the death of zachariah.

destiny, faith and free will.... that's what it's really all about isn't it.... maybe that's what god is waiting for....
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Old April 16 2010, 03:05 AM   #10
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I thought is was above average...was hoping for excellent...oh well. 1st 30 minutes very slow...then it picked up toward the end. Doesn't really feel like a 100th episode to me...IMHO.
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Old April 16 2010, 03:11 AM   #11
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I still wish Cas died.
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Old April 16 2010, 03:18 AM   #12
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Thank God. The old Dean is back with fire in his belly and the hope of Sam and Dean's relationship making it through all of this has gone up a few notches. I love this episode.

I don't think we've seen the last of Castiel. Maybe the last of his physical host. But I think Cas will come back in another body. I also think Michael has relucantly accepted Adam as his host since Dean has once again gotten away with not saying "yes" honestly. But if that's so, that brings up another question: why hasn't Michael fought Lucifer around the time of the next episode? Maybe Michael experiences complications with his new host or maybe he's decided to give up on destiny and sit by the sidelines and do nothing.

I love the scene when Adam told Sam that though their father wasn't perfect, at least Sam and Dean saw more of him than he ever did. I love the scene when Cas smacked some sense into Dean and I love the scene when Sam releases Dean, having faith that he'll make the right choice. And the opening of the 100th episode reminds me of a bit of the graphic novel series Preacher.
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Old April 16 2010, 03:21 AM   #13
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For a 100th ep--it was lacking. As a SN episode it was alright. I wasn't riveted by a lot of it. Probably the reason it failed for me was the fact that the actions that drove the episode were the result of us and the boys caring for Adam--a character that I didn't care for originally and didn't here either. I simply didn't buy the need to protect him emotionally even if I could believe it intellectually. It just rang hollow. I could care less about him so I wasn't invested in everything that followed.

The rest of the episode was pretty straightforward and I want to say it was muted. Zach did nothing for me and was just an annoying screen presence that never worked. I think they could have done better with the character and with casting.

I didn't even find a lot of the character scenes between the guys that involving. The only really good one was the final act.

I think it might have worked with more of a twist that shook things up.

It was watchable--didn't find myself wanting to turn it off but I just couldn't get into it this week. C+

Edited: I forgot to mention that I did like hearing Dean's rationale for agreeing to be Michael's vessel.
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Old April 16 2010, 03:53 AM   #14
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In My Time of Dying--the best episode of the series in my opinion--I might be biased since it really hit home since I recently lost my father and it just rings very true. That final shot was haunting.
In the Beginning--a classic.
All Hell Breaks Loose, Part Two
Lazarus Rising
Nightshifter
Abandon All Hope
A Very Supernatural Christmas
Jus in Belo
The Devil's Trap
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Old April 16 2010, 05:23 AM   #15
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I liked the episode, liked, it certainly wasn't a classic by any stretch but it was a good episode.

I know several people are not going to want to see a story with Adam in it (as many hated the very idea of the character), but not me as the idea of John (let alone) Dean not reproducing seems extremely unlikely.

And I can certainly understand the use of the character, as both Dean and Sam (both have strong bonds to family), even one they don't know (plus they would probably do the same with a friend or a stranger), but only Adam gives them the illusion of having a host body.

Always wrap your lies with some portion of the truth it makes it easier to buy into.

My primary quibble (and its a reocurring quibble), is when trying to convince Adam that Angels lie, they keep not mentioning how the lies of Angels led Sam to start the apocalypse. I understand why Sam doesn't lay this out to Dean all the time (one he does fell tremendous guilt about it, and it''s not in his character to throw things in people's face), but a few times its very salient to the story. I do think Sam really should have at some point rationally told Dean why he believes the Angels that this is the only way, when he knows how much they do lie.

One might argue why they didn't bring John back instead of Adam, and I don't know if John would give in to the Angels wishes (meaning he would not give out his location), plus I think the angels would not want his influence on either of Sam or Dean. So it does make sense.

It was nice to see Dean finally tell us (and Sam) the full reason he thinks making the deal with Michael is smart, and it was nice that they haven't forgotten that Dean saw a world where Sam did give in (and he didn't). Though we know it, its good for the characters to see. Nice to see Castiel take a pound of flesh out of Dean, as I have been saying that he might have gotten attached to the guys his motivations are his own and if push came to serve he would do what he thought God wanted (even now I think this is true).

I really liked seeing the differences between Sam and Dean in this episode. Dean who has always been hesitant to truly trust Dean, and Sam who always wants to believe the best in Dean. Both knowing the good and bad in each other, and just how they perceive one another.

Then we have dearly departed Zachariah. His time and come and gone, I did really enjoy the teaser though with him, but his over the top performance in hell made him less a character and more a caricature. Sure it was only one episode (and really just one scene), but with so little time left on this storyline, it was very nice to see him depart.

On Castiel, again very nice to see him lose it on Dean, and both him and Dean gave some good moves (I especially liked the idea of Castiel making the sigils on himself (of course the Castiel girls are probably freeze framing on the second of bare chest, but oh well.

The thing I did think hurt this episode is that once Dean is back with the guys his sense of defeat seems utterly gone (now this could be due to the fact that he has come to a decision), but I wanted to see a little more bitterness at being held captive, either in his snark, or just being more sullen. That was the only acting problem I personally had (or even tone) for this episode. I did like the snark (as its general the humor that for me works on the show with a few exceptions both ways of course).

I keep saying that I wish Castiel would have died, and I do mean it. Not only to make the story more powerful (as he is a well liked character), but to remove him as a possible character for season 6. I just can't stand the idea of Castiel either as he is now or a fully cut off from angel Castiel who is human being part of a season 6. But hell I am also the person who would have loved to seen the boys get back to bobby's at the end of Abandon All Hope and find that Bobby had been killed.
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