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Old May 7 2010, 04:09 PM   #1
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Things you've just discovered after watching many times before?

Last night i rewatched the Season 7 episode "Parallels". That's the one when Worf, returning back to the Enterprise from a bat'leth tournament ends up bringing about multiple universes in which he is constantly shifting into.

For the first time ever, i noticed that in at least one of the universes, DATA doesn't have his usual gold eyes...he has BLUE EYES! I can't tell you how many times i've watched this ep (it is one of my favorites) and never noticed this before! It was just one of those little things i discovered that excited me. (Obviously, i excite easily).

Have you ever watched an ep and suddenly taken notice of something you never did before?
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Old May 7 2010, 04:41 PM   #2
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Re: Things you've just discovered after watching many times before?

We're in the middle of season 3 of our TNG rewatch, and a general thing I've noticed is the little tidbits of story dropped here and there that get revisited down the road. I know TNG has taken some bashing from some quarters for it's capsule episodes that wrap up things in a nice tidy package in 45 minutes, but there's a lot more of these little things dropped throughout the series than I recalled.

Still not looking forward to episodes like the one where Worf gets his spine broken and fixed and then it's never mentioned again, but that's one of the more egregious examples.
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Old May 7 2010, 09:59 PM   #3
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Re: Things you've just discovered after watching many times before?

I only recently found out that Betazoids have eyes that are all black inside. I swear I never noticed this when TNG was on the air.
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Old May 8 2010, 12:13 AM   #4
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Re: Things you've just discovered after watching many times before?

Yes I have...I do that even with TOS...mainly because of the bigger HD TV and because I can see more detail. :-)

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Old May 8 2010, 04:37 AM   #5
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Still not looking forward to episodes like the one where Worf gets his spine broken and fixed and then it's never mentioned again, but that's one of the more egregious examples.
Which episode? It happened to Worf twice. Once in "Transfigurations," and again in five or six when he had his spine taken out and operated on.
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Old May 8 2010, 05:29 AM   #6
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I remember being surprised to see Data's blue eyes, after having seen the episode multiple times. I kind of had a feeling about Betazoid eyes, but never really checked it out

My most significant discovery, was also my most recent. A few months ago, I really started noticing Brent Spiner's breathing, during Data's dialogue. It is masterfully choreographed, easily as perfect as the breath control a professional singer has to have.

He only noticeably breathes when absolutely necessary, & when he does so, he only takes breaths between phrases in long passages, & every breath is a nearly perfect half second to a whole second long, just prior to the beginning of his next phrase. It truly is marvelous precision performance, that he did for 7 entire seasons. I honestly never thought to notice it before. Such skill that guy has
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Old May 8 2010, 12:52 PM   #7
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Re: Things you've just discovered after watching many times before?

In "Heart of Glory", the view from Geordi's V.I.S.O.R. is displayed on the Bridge's main viewer, at Picard's behest.

Picard asks who one person is and Geordi replies, "That's Data", and Picard asks him what that light is around him (or something like that) and Geordi replies it's an aura and said it as a matter-of-fact tone, because Data is an "android".
When Picard acts surprised, Geordi says something like, "What? Isn't that what you guys see?" (before Picard can answer, there is of course a distraction, so it goes unanswered).

Yet when Data's "mom" shows up, it is Data who notices she is an android, and not Geordi. Where's her aura?

And we know from multiple episode Geordi can detect minut differences in color and variations and the look displayed, so it's natural that Lore should have a slight different and varied aura, yet when disguised as Data, Geordi again fails to pick up on it.
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Old May 9 2010, 01:21 AM   #8
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Milo Bloom wrote: View Post
We're in the middle of season 3 of our TNG rewatch, and a general thing I've noticed is the little tidbits of story dropped here and there that get revisited down the road. I know TNG has taken some bashing from some quarters for it's capsule episodes that wrap up things in a nice tidy package in 45 minutes, but there's a lot more of these little things dropped throughout the series than I recalled.
I've noticed that same thing. It's interesting how often Worf's discommendation comes up throughout seasons 3 and 4. TNG really isn't quite as episodic as it always seems in retrospect.
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Re: Things you've just discovered after watching many times before?

The last time I discovered something was a few years ago and the connection between Booby Trap and Time's Arrow. I thought that was just hella cool how they kept that continuity. Everyone complains about continuity such as Scotty and Kirk (Relics and Generations) but no one comments on when they get small doses of continuity right such as Guinan and how she met Picard.
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Old May 9 2010, 05:09 AM   #10
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There's TONS of continuity in TNG. Worfs storyline is pretty much mentioned in almost every episode between his dis commendation and the regaining of his honor.

And there's many other examples, like Future Imperfect using Minuet as Riker's "wife".

Geordi's line about Androids having an aura is a one off thing that never really appears again. Even if you remember, the second time we see thru Geordi's visor in "The Mind's Eye" is totally different than the first time we saw it in that other episode. I just chalk it up to a throwaway idea that they didn't know how to develop, so they dropped it instead.
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Old May 9 2010, 07:51 AM   #11
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Continuity? Tons! The phase discriminator technology that was used to phase shift the crew in "Time's Arrow" was adapted, to form pockets of artificial time around the crew in "Timescape" Picard mentions Devidia II & that's what gives them the idea

The whole reason Troi becomes a command officer with the rank of Commander is birthed out of her experience in "Disaster" She even says so. Picard actually gets called out on his involvement at the massacre at Wolf 359, in "The Drumhead" In fact, Admiral Satie blows a lot of stuff back in his face, like when he let a Romulan spy escape in "Data's Day"

Riker mentions having patched things up with his dad, to Beta Riker, in "Second Chances", a reference to "The Icarus Factor". Worf had the discommendation arc, Data had the Lore arc. Wesley had an arc. In fact, the only characters that didn't end up with one were those that they didn't know how to write for, like Geordi, & Beverly, & all the shows had characters they had difficulty developing. That's just the breaks

I'm actually more impressed with TNG than the other Trek shows, because they managed to develop these characters in a modern way, whilst still beholding to the TOS episodic format too. TNG was the cross over. Were it not for that show, none of the latter Trek could've been anything like it was

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Old May 9 2010, 03:27 PM   #12
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I remember the first time my girlfriend and I noticed the person walking past the window on the Enterprise-D in the intro.

We both flipped our lids at how awesome that was and how it was crazy we'd never seen it before.
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Old May 9 2010, 06:17 PM   #13
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I remember the first time my girlfriend and I noticed the person walking past the window on the Enterprise-D in the intro.

We both flipped our lids at how awesome that was and how it was crazy we'd never seen it before.
I remember reading it's not people you see -- just a trick of light that makes it appear so. Which was disappointing, could that would have been an awesome idea to shove in.
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Mojochi wrote: View Post
I remember being surprised to see Data's blue eyes, after having seen the episode multiple times. I kind of had a feeling about Betazoid eyes, but never really checked it out

My most significant discovery, was also my most recent. A few months ago, I really started noticing Brent Spiner's breathing, during Data's dialogue. It is masterfully choreographed, easily as perfect as the breath control a professional singer has to have.

He only noticeably breathes when absolutely necessary, & when he does so, he only takes breaths between phrases in long passages, & every breath is a nearly perfect half second to a whole second long, just prior to the beginning of his next phrase. It truly is marvelous precision performance, that he did for 7 entire seasons. I honestly never thought to notice it before. Such skill that guy has
Data/Spiner's breath. Seriously? I'm going to have to pay attention to that now. That's pretty amazing!

I always suspected the thing about the Betazoid eyes too.

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I remember the first time my girlfriend and I noticed the person walking past the window on the Enterprise-D in the intro.

We both flipped our lids at how awesome that was and how it was crazy we'd never seen it before.
I remember reading it's not people you see -- just a trick of light that makes it appear so. Which was disappointing, could that would have been an awesome idea to shove in.
Going to have to look for that now. Never noticed it before.
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Old May 11 2010, 05:33 AM   #15
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Data/Spiner's breath. Seriously? I'm going to have to pay attention to that now. That's pretty amazing!
Look for it in longer passages, like when he's talking a lot of technobabble

I haven't gotten specific into it yet, & there's still areas I'm wondering about, like if he still does it when he's acting, as a Shakespearean character, or as Sherlock Holmes. He might break form, as part of Data's acting performance, but in his natural speak you almost never hear him breath, unless it's a split second prior to starting a new phrase

I'm going to go watch some of that now, actually. I'd like to know if there's a way to ask him about it. I'm certain it's something he's rarely discussed
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