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Old April 6 2010, 06:49 PM   #1
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Net Neutrality Suffer Setback in DC Court

The FCC was beaten back by Comcast on the Net Neutrality issue. Basically the court said that the FCC went beyond their rights in telling Comcast and other carriers that they cannot limit band width (?) to sites like YouTube or use programs like Bit Torrent to get movies. This might come back to bite them on their aquisition of NBC. It looks like Congress might have to get involved, but I have no faith on their ability to make a Net Neutral decision. Here is the link to the NY Times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/te.../07net.html?hp

What do you all think? I think that net neutrality is a good idea.
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Old April 6 2010, 06:53 PM   #2
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Net Neutrality is a great idea if you like the internet the way it is right now. But it looks like those days are numbered.
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Old April 6 2010, 06:55 PM   #3
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Net Neutrality is a great idea if you like the internet the way it is right now. But it looks like those days are numbered.
I do like it the way it is, but I agree that "these" days may be numbered. I wonder how other countries handle it.
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Old April 6 2010, 07:03 PM   #4
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Re: Net Neutrality Suffer Setback in DC Court

It's not so much that this is a setback as it is making it more clear where net neutrality has to come from... which is, in this case, congress. The courts are correct, the FCC doesn't have the power to enforce things on Comcast in this way but they should and that can be addressed with legislation.
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Old April 6 2010, 07:35 PM   #5
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Re: Net Neutrality Suffer Setback in DC Court

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It's not so much that this is a setback as it is making it more clear where net neutrality has to come from... which is, in this case, congress. The courts are correct, the FCC doesn't have the power to enforce things on Comcast in this way but they should and that can be addressed with legislation.
Exactly. The law needs to be set down without ambiguity, that all packets must be treated equally regardless of their originating network or destination. Change routing priority based on the required priority of the application, but things like traffic shaping--throttling certain protocols--is against the very notion of network neutrality. Internet usage patterns should not be socially engineered by ISPs.
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Old April 6 2010, 07:37 PM   #6
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Re: Net Neutrality Suffer Setback in DC Court

Why isn't this somehow covered under the first amendment?
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Old April 6 2010, 07:42 PM   #7
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The First Amendment only restrains the government, not corporations.
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Re: Net Neutrality Suffer Setback in DC Court

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Net Neutrality is a great idea if you like the internet the way it is right now. But it looks like those days are numbered.
I do like it the way it is, but I agree that "these" days may be numbered. I wonder how other countries handle it.
Most just have far higher bandwidth than we do. The US is like 16th or 17th on the list for internet speeds.
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Old April 6 2010, 07:57 PM   #9
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Re: Net Neutrality Suffer Setback in DC Court

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Net Neutrality is a great idea if you like the internet the way it is right now. But it looks like those days are numbered.
I do like it the way it is, but I agree that "these" days may be numbered. I wonder how other countries handle it.
Most just have far higher bandwidth than we do. The US is like 16th or 17th on the list for internet speeds.
That's mostly because our population is so spread out. It's easy to get ridiculously high speeds when your population is very dense, like it is in Japan.
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Old April 6 2010, 08:09 PM   #10
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I do like it the way it is, but I agree that "these" days may be numbered. I wonder how other countries handle it.
Most just have far higher bandwidth than we do. The US is like 16th or 17th on the list for internet speeds.
That's mostly because our population is so spread out. It's easy to get ridiculously high speeds when your population is very dense, like it is in Japan.
True, but even then there's a lot of controversy with telcos only stringing fiber down "select" neighborhoods.
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Old April 7 2010, 12:17 AM   #11
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Old April 7 2010, 01:47 AM   #12
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I think that net neutrality is a good idea
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Old April 7 2010, 02:22 AM   #13
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I think that net neutrality is a good idea
Only those who either completely support the companies over themselves or don't know what they are talking about don't.
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Old April 7 2010, 04:32 AM   #14
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The First Amendment only restrains the government, not corporations.
See, I don't agree with that. Corporations are artificial constructs which do not exist "in nature" created by the government. I think that as such any rules which are passed limiting the government interference in our rights should genetically carry over to the government's creations.
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The government does not create all corporations.
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