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Old January 29 2012, 11:31 PM   #46
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

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Combs took it to a new level. He made being a villain cool.
He had already done that with Weyoun.
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Old January 29 2012, 11:47 PM   #47
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

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Rick Berman didn't want them in the 24th century show, because he thought they looked goofy.
Andorians look goofy, so what does that make the Vulcans with their bowl-shaped haircuts and pointed ears?

What about the Trill that are basically humans with painted-on leopard spots on their bodies? The Bajorans with
ONLY ridges on the nose?

Those guys are ok, but the Andorians are too GOOFY?
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Old January 30 2012, 12:00 AM   #48
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

It's the classic stereotype of aliens with antennae. There should be no problem with it because it's really a step up from just ridged foreheads, but some people like Berman just see it as too much of a cliche.
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Old January 30 2012, 01:05 AM   #49
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

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Rick Berman didn't want them in the 24th century show, because he thought they looked goofy.
Andorians look goofy, so what does that make the Vulcans with their bowl-shaped haircuts and pointed ears?
It was only Spock who had the bowl-cut in TOS and the TOS movies, all the other Vulcans had more varied looks. I don't know why they had ALL of them with that look in the later shows.

And Vulcans were too much a Trek "mascot" species to drop compared to Andorians.
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Old January 30 2012, 02:13 AM   #50
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"Slip latex" casting is a very old technique, simpler than foam latex casting, and there was nothing new about it in 1979. It's simply not used for makeups that require close scrutiny or any flexibility of expression because unlike foam latex it produces a thin shell that buckles when it moves rather than flexing in a somewhat more believable way.

Example of slip latex casting.
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Old January 30 2012, 02:58 AM   #51
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

On the subject of the four Andorian genders.

Firstly, I like the idea, it makes them more "alien". Everyone else is pretty much locked into the same basic biology we have, and that dull.

Secondly, I dispute the notion that there'd be a massive gender imbalance. Genetically speaking, if the odds of a child being born a particular gender weren't equal (or near enough to it) the imballance would see a species go extince long before the discovery of fire, much less warp drive. I'm also not convinced the Zhan doesn't contribute biologically while she carries the "puggle" in her pouch.
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Old January 30 2012, 06:26 AM   #52
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

Not as goofy as that alien dog with a couple of bones added.
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Old January 30 2012, 06:30 AM   #53
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

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We need zombie Andorians.

You rang? by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

Also, three brief shots of zombie Andorians in this:
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/20...of-living.html

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"Slip latex" casting is a very old technique, simpler than foam latex casting, and there was nothing new about it in 1979.
There was "something new". Fred Phillips told me when I interviewed him on the phone in January 1984. It had something to do with the new formula not needing to be baked overnight, and could be made into shapes, such as long forehead tendrills, that would have been impossible the old way. Vulcan ears in the 60s had to be baked in a kiln.

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I'm also not convinced the Zhan doesn't contribute biologically while she carries the "puggle" in her pouch.
Over in TrekLit, we decided that the zhavey would probably contribute her unique hormones that would shape the resulting fetus as it grew in her pouch. Shaped personality, intelligence, strength, etc, perhaps.
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Old January 30 2012, 11:07 PM   #54
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Re: Why no Andorians in the TNG/DS9/VOY era?

I read somewhere that the mechanics to move the Andorian's antanne in ENT was pretty loud, so all dialogue during those scenes had to be re-recorded later on.
I can see how that would cause some production issues if they were regular characters.
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Old January 31 2012, 02:59 AM   #55
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I'm also not convinced the Zhan doesn't contribute biologically while she carries the "puggle" in her pouch.
Over in TrekLit, we decided that the zhavey would probably contribute her unique hormones that would shape the resulting fetus as it grew in her pouch. Shaped personality, intelligence, strength, etc, perhaps.
Sounds about right, I've wanyed to see a bondgroup on Trek for ages.
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Old January 31 2012, 07:21 AM   #56
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I read somewhere that the mechanics to move the Andorian's antanne in ENT was pretty loud, so all dialogue during those scenes had to be re-recorded later on.
I can see how that would cause some production issues if they were regular characters.
Yep. Although various bridge devices often require dialogue relooping anyway, but yes, the whirring of the puppetered antennae was an added problem to all scenes with ENT Andorians in closeups.
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