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Old March 29 2010, 06:30 AM   #1
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The Prophets vs Q Continuum

I am relatively new to the entire Star Trek universe, but after having finished watching both TNG and DS9, I can not help but wonder if the Prophets, as a lifeform, is anything similiar to the Q Continuum. So, my question to all you Trek experts is: What is the difference between the Q Continuum and the Prophets? That is, what other similiarity exist between them and differences, and which of these two life form is at a higher level of evolutionary advantage?
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Old March 29 2010, 06:49 AM   #2
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Re: The Prophets vs Q Continuum

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I am relatively new to the entire Star Trek universe, but after having finished watching both TNG and DS9, I can not help but wonder if the Prophets, as a lifeform, is anything similiar to the Q Continuum. So, my question to all you Trek experts is: What is the difference between the Q Continuum and the Prophets? That is, what other similiarity exist between them and differences, and which of these two life form is at a higher level of evolutionary advantage?
Interesting question(s) and honestly it's not one I've really thought a lot about so here is my take. Besides The Q and The Prophets through out the history of Star Trek we have been introduced to a few other non-corporeal lifeforms and I think it's safe to assume in the universe there are more of these non-corporeal lifeforms.

So given that the universe is populated by other energy based lifeforms like The Q & The Prophets I would say they are probably about as far apart from each other in the same way that most humanoid lifeforms are from each other. Also, it's not clear if The Q and The Prophets have any kind of relationship or which one is more "evolved"
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Old March 29 2010, 06:43 PM   #3
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Re: The Prophets vs Q Continuum

Did we ever see any evidence that the prophets were able to project their power from beyond the wormhole? I mean other than stuff like Orbs, I'm talking about directly.

In fact, it seemed like at many times during the series the wormhole was in danger and it was talked about as if the prophets would die if something bad happened to the wormhole. Doesn't sound very Q-like.
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Old March 29 2010, 07:03 PM   #4
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Re: The Prophets vs Q Continuum

They were subject to chroniton radiation and could be killed by it apparently. The Q were certainly never in any danger of something like that from human beings.

As to the Prophets projecting their power beyond the Wormhole... well, that's complicated. Look at the events of Shadows and Symbols. Weyoun actually says to Damar that it's inexplicable but releasing the Pah-Wraith into the wormhole turned the tide of the entire war in their favor. Add to that this; The entire cast is about to be annihilated (in three different scenarios); Kira and Odo are about to be vaporized by Romulans, Bashir, O'Brien, Worf, Martok and Quark are all about to die in a failed attempt to blow up the shipyards at Rondak, and Sisko is about to lose his mind and be trapped inside a Pah-Wraith created vision.

Sisko finally opens the Orb, the Sarah Sisko Prophet casts out the Pah-Wraith from the wormhole, and suddenly Ross changes his mind making the Romulans back down which saves Kira and Odo, the mission at Rondak suddenly turns in our heroes favor, and Sisko comes to terms and has a vision from the Prophets clarifying that he did the right thing.

Could it all be coincidence? Of course it could. It's maybe even likely that it is... but you can never be absolutely sure of that because it was left intentionally vague (I think anyway.) If all of that were thanks to the Prophets I would say their influence stretches way beyond the wormhole and has very tangible consequences, more so than the Q ever had (save for maybe that whole...super nova business on Voyager... but that was silly.)

So it boils down to whether or not you "believe" in the Prophets.


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Old March 29 2010, 10:21 PM   #5
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Re: The Prophets vs Q Continuum

Withers puts it brilliantly: In Trek, apparently, the question of the existence of God(s) is just as brain-warping as it is in real life.

Ow, I sometimes hate metaphysics as much as I hate temporal mechanics.
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Old March 29 2010, 10:53 PM   #6
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Withers puts it brilliantly: In Trek, apparently, the question of the existence of God(s) is just as brain-warping as it is in real life.

Ow, I sometimes hate metaphysics as much as I hate temporal mechanics.
That is brlliantly stated and I do appreciate that even in Star Trek which more about the characters interacting with science and technology that there is a spiritual component with in the Star Trek universe. Now, when I say spiritual I don't mean to connect it to any religion since those are creations of people but the exploration of higher plains are something else.
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Old March 30 2010, 01:47 AM   #7
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Look at the events of Shadows and Symbols.
I was going to suggest you might 'spoiler' mark the passage starting about here, but then I re-read it and realised I couldn't make head nor tail of it, perhaps you've been touched by the prophets and you're 'speaking in tongues'.

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Old March 30 2010, 02:04 AM   #8
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I don't mean to connect it to any religion since those are creations of people but the exploration of higher plains are something else.
There are two types of religion:

1. Religion of the Individual - Which is ones personal mythology, and is always unique to the person as no matter what type 2 religion the person might consider themselves belonging to will always include some heresy. More attention should be paid in our western democracies to the religion of the individual. This religion, faith or belief is created by the individual and rarely can be expressed adequately using a mode of communication that was originally designed 'to tell the other monkeys where the fruit is.'

2. Religion of the Community - Which usually comes down to a set of rules, coda or commandments in a book. Can be beneficial, but should be viewed with some suspicion as most of them believe in bothering non-believers, either to convert them or to assert that they are somehow better than them. This type of religion is created by somebody or group of somebodies seeking power.

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