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View Poll Results: Grade "The Needs of the Many"
Excellent 7 17.95%
Above Average 9 23.08%
Average 10 25.64%
Below Average 5 12.82%
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Old March 28 2010, 11:12 PM   #16
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^Plus the Abramsverse. Despite the shelving of the four post-movie novels, there are two pre-movie young-adult Academy books in the works.

And there's Mirror Universe (though that does connect with the main novel continuity), Myriad Universes, and older series like the Crucible trilogy and the Rihannsu sequence.
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Old March 29 2010, 12:05 AM   #17
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Yes, we know the book presents itself that way. The suggestion is that maybe, in the TrekLit universe, Jake Sisko wrote this as a work of fiction and presented it as an epistolary work in which he interviewed the participants in an alternate history -- just as Bram Stoker wrote Dracula as a collection of journals, interviews, and articles even though it was actually fictional.
I suppose it's possible. Then again we do have multiple timelines going on in the Trek universe now. Who's to say that its not entirely true to its particular universe?

Personally I don't think there should be an attempt to reconcile the two timelines. We have the Prime Universe, we have the Abrams Universe, there were millions of Enterprise-Ds in Parallels. Leave them be.
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Old March 29 2010, 12:26 AM   #18
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I'm with nx here. Personally, I think it's actually alot less confusing to just leave things as separate universes than it is to try to reconcile everything. IMO that can get kinda ridiculous as more and more crazy excuses are intrduced to try to explain away every little inconstancy.
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Old March 29 2010, 12:48 AM   #19
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^I think it's about four. Destiny, STO, Shatnerverse and New Frontier.
Actually New Frontier while not exactly fitting does take place in the main Trek lit universe.
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Old March 29 2010, 01:53 AM   #20
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I got this book today and the person who wrote this should be shot execution style. While I understand the reasoning behind it, there's no reason why it has to be in a transcript style. The interviews could have been done in other ways.
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Old March 29 2010, 02:33 AM   #21
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I got this book today and the person who wrote this should be shot execution style. While I understand the reasoning behind it, there's no reason why it has to be in a transcript style. The interviews could have been done in other ways.
While I understand you don't agree with the choice the author made about a book, I can't think of any situations where advocating violence towards a person is the correct way to protest about your displeasure, let alone a work of fiction. And when you take into account that authors frequently visit and post this board, this is beyond pale. It might just be "an expression" to you, but not everyone takes it that way, so please don't do it again.
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Old March 29 2010, 03:02 AM   #22
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I'm curious about the timeline included in the book...is it the Path to 2409 timeline that was being done on the website and which there have been no updates for since the end of November? When I asked on Star Trek Online's facebook page I got a response saying that the timeline updates would continue and the poster who was responsible for them was occupied with other things. I'll be getting the book when it gets in the book store.
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I got this book today and the person who wrote this should be shot execution style. While I understand the reasoning behind it, there's no reason why it has to be in a transcript style. The interviews could have been done in other ways.
While I understand you don't agree with the choice the author made about a book, I can't think of any situations where advocating violence towards a person is the correct way to protest about your displeasure, let alone a work of fiction. And when you take into account that authors frequently visit and post this board, this is beyond pale. It might just be "an expression" to you, but not everyone takes it that way, so please don't do it again.
Sorry Rosalind. I was just stating an opinion. No harmful statements were intended.
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Old March 29 2010, 03:32 AM   #24
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^ Well, I'll give you this much: You never cease to amaze me.
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Old March 29 2010, 04:59 AM   #25
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In the opening chapter Jake says he is completing this Project at the request of the Federation Department of Peace and that it's an historical project, not a work of fiction.
Well, that name isn't unsettling at all.
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Old March 29 2010, 05:15 AM   #26
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Yeah, really...Minipax, anyone?
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Old March 29 2010, 06:57 AM   #27
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I got this book today and the person who wrote this should be shot execution style. While I understand the reasoning behind it, there's no reason why it has to be in a transcript style. The interviews could have been done in other ways.
While I understand you don't agree with the choice the author made about a book, I can't think of any situations where advocating violence towards a person is the correct way to protest about your displeasure, let alone a work of fiction. And when you take into account that authors frequently visit and post this board, this is beyond pale. It might just be "an expression" to you, but not everyone takes it that way, so please don't do it again.
Sorry Rosalind. I was just stating an opinion. No harmful statements were intended.
Marc, you might not had any harmful intention, but "the person who wrote this should be shot execution style" is not "just an opinion". I know we like to pepper our everyday language with exaggerated statements, but you need to think carefully about some of these statements when you are writing them down. A statement like what you wrote here is harmful whether you intended it or not. Just think carefully next time before you write something that sounds like you're advocating violence and harm to someone, ok?
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Old March 29 2010, 07:11 AM   #28
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^Plus the Abramsverse.
Abramsverse seems to run into the STO universe.
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Old March 29 2010, 07:51 AM   #29
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In the opening chapter Jake says he is completing this Project at the request of the Federation Department of Peace and that it's an historical project, not a work of fiction.
Well, that name isn't unsettling at all.
As opposed to, what, the Department of War?

Not every reference to a governmental organization dedicated to peace and diplomacy is necessarily a reference to Orwell, y'know -- nor need we always assume such organizations are named dishonestly, as Oceania's Ministry of Peace was.

Though, for my money, Martin would have done just as well to depict Jake as working for the Federation Department of the Exterior or Federation Diplomatic Corps.
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Abramsverse seems to run into the STO universe.
No, it doesn't. You must be thinking of the destruction of Romulus in 2387. That's something that happened in the Prime universe. When we say "Abramsverse" we're referring to the new timeline created when Nero travelled back to 2233, the timeline in which Vulcan was destroyed and Kirk became captain of a gigantic Enterprise right out of the Academy. STO does not happen in that timeline.
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