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View Poll Results: Grade "The Needs of the Many"
Excellent 7 17.95%
Above Average 9 23.08%
Average 10 25.64%
Below Average 5 12.82%
Poor 8 20.51%
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Old June 12 2010, 03:10 AM   #136
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Re: Star Trek: Online: The Needs of the Many - Discussion (Spoilers)

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Star Trek is at its best when it can deliver it's message with some SUBTLETY - this was like a punch in the gut.
Have you ever actually watched Star Trek? Star Trek's message episodes are about as subtle as a Klingon opera.
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Old April 26 2011, 09:52 AM   #137
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Re: Star Trek: Online: The Needs of the Many - Discussion (Spoilers)

So I finally got the game up and running, so I dragged this book off the shelf and finally gave it a read.

I like it. I hope somewhere down the road we get another novel or two set in the STO timeline. I wouldn't mind another one set up like this one was, but I'd really like a book or two written in a more common prose format.
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Old April 26 2011, 11:11 AM   #138
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*Cough* Zombie thread! *cough*

But, yeah, I'd like another one too. Perhaps alternating between a traditional story and interviews, a little like The Romulan Way or Spock's World, but with Jake's interviews in place of the history lessons.
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Old April 26 2011, 02:00 PM   #139
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Yay Zombie Threads. I didn't see the point in starting a new one.
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Old April 26 2011, 07:51 PM   #140
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Having read I have to wonder if Martin actually paided more then a very small amount of attention to the game back story becuase a lot of the events that supposedly happened during the timeline (at least according to Martin) never really happened or I least I never got the impression they ever happened. The game makes it seem that the Udine have never gone full scale hot war with the Federation as the only thing the Feds and Klinks are worried about are infiltrators and the Feds would likely take the Udine more seriously as a threat if they were in a hot war with them. Also I haven't seen ANY MACOS in the game all the ground troops are Starfleet not an Earth Military organization that was likely absorbed into starfleet.
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Old April 27 2011, 03:02 PM   #141
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^I think it also mentions in passing an attack on Vulcan by Nero in 2387, which certainly wasn't in Countdown.
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Old April 28 2011, 09:56 AM   #142
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Maybe that was in the Nero miniseries? I don't know, I haven't read it.
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Old April 28 2011, 12:31 PM   #143
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No, the Nero miniseries is about Nero's time in the past between the Kelvin prologue of the film and his reappearance 25 years later.

There's nowhere in the continuity established in the film for Nero to have attacked Vulcan in 2387. Spock was en route to the supernova when Romulus was destroyed, and as soon as Spock reached the supernova, he was confronted by Nero. Shortly after that, both ships were sucked into the past. Unless Nero's ship had the ability to travel between Romulan space and Vulcan almost instantly (which is unlikely, given that the century-earlier Enterprise was almost able to catch up with it despite going by a roundabout route from Vulcan to Earth), there's simply no opportunity for Nero to travel to Vulcan after Romulus's destruction in 2387.
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Old May 3 2011, 10:32 PM   #144
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I didn't like this book very much. Most importantly, I didn't like the way the stories were told but numerous elements bothered me like the existence of the MACOs and Janeway NOT being dead (though she could return). It was just a really dry read, even for someone who plays and loves the game.

That said, the story about Data's resurrection was excellently done. My hat is off to Mr Martin for that one. It was emotionally gripping and the exact tale I would want for that event. I don't think that story could be better told in a future novel. It was also cool to see Picard and Riker's kids grown up.
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Old May 4 2011, 06:31 PM   #145
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^The Needs of the Many was not intended to be set in the main novel continuity; indeed, it referenced that continuity as an alternate timeline. It's specifically a tie-in to the Star Trek Online MMORPG continuity. So it wasn't beholden to the novels' version of Janeway's fate.
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Old May 4 2011, 07:10 PM   #146
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Yeah, I know. My question with STO has always been when do they and the novels diverge? Does/will STO ever take the relaunch into account?

Still, I just didn't enjoy reading the interview style accounts. But that is just me and I can't critique Martin for that as he did present the interviews well.
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Old May 4 2011, 08:57 PM   #147
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Game development takes a long time, and they needed their story set in place before the novels had been even conceived of or commissioned. They were actually pretty consistent with the Lit at the time that gave development began, but I think there's something about Ro (?) that contradicts even the DS9 relaunch. They did use some Lit characters and ideas, though.

Either way, to keep things consistent, the alternative would be for the game devs to decide the next few decades of TrekLit, and make that be consistent with the game, but given the story they did come up with, I'm personally glad TrekLit is free to chart its own direction.
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Old May 4 2011, 09:48 PM   #148
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^ If I remember right, they use a lot of DS9 relaunch events, but at different times; like, Ro comes to the station several years later.
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Old May 4 2011, 10:33 PM   #149
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Yeah, I know. My question with STO has always been when do they and the novels diverge? Does/will STO ever take the relaunch into account?
That's not the way it works. These are independently developed creative works, not "actual" timelines that have some specific, measurable divergence. The people who invented the backstory for STO drew on other sources piecemeal as it suited them. They threw in some elements drawn from the novels even while blatantly contradicting others. There is no "divergence point" any more than there's a divergence point between, say, the 1990s Spider-Man animated series and the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. They're two independent adaptations of a fictional work, and they both draw on elements of that original work and to some extent on each other as it suits them (the movie's version of the black costume/Venom story owes more to the animated series version than to the comics version). But they're not branches off of a common history, just alternate imaginary constructs sharing certain ideas.
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Old May 5 2011, 02:40 PM   #150
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In my opinion, the books are just as good as any screen material and should be considered canon and the "real" story line. At the startrek.com boards, the books get a lot of hate, and I think it's a shame that trek fans don't hold the books to be as important as star wars fans do with their books.
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