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Old May 22 2010, 12:14 PM   #541
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Lets face it, you know Berman, Piller and Braga all snickered how silly TOS was behind Gene's back.
One day Gene will crawl out of his own grave, just so he can urinate on theirs.

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Old May 22 2010, 03:06 PM   #542
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TOS is garbage and shouldn't be considered canon. It was only thought of as good because most other tv and film up to that point was even worse garbage.

Star Trek began with the movies, established its foundation with TNG, and reached its full potential with DS9.
I want to congratulate you. You finally managed to post a really unpopular opinion in a thread which, despite being called Unpopular Trek Opinions, is mostly filled with rather common or not particularly controversial opinions. You were so successful that a bunch of people got outraged and started attacking you for several pages.... but then an even more amazing thing happened. Even though you are one person, you got promoted to the status of the majority or general opinion of not just all fans of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT, but also the writers and producers of those shows, and finally, the opinion of the shows themselves, which are apparently sentient.
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Old May 22 2010, 04:05 PM   #543
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TOS is garbage and shouldn't be considered canon. It was only thought of as good because most other tv and film up to that point was even worse garbage.

Star Trek began with the movies, established its foundation with TNG, and reached its full potential with DS9.
I want to congratulate you. You finally managed to post a really unpopular opinion in a thread which, despite being called Unpopular Trek Opinions, is mostly filled with rather common or not particularly controversial opinions. You were so successful that a bunch of people got outraged and started attacking you for several pages.... but then an even more amazing thing happened. Even though you are one person, you got promoted to the status of the majority or general opinion of not just all fans of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT, but also the writers and producers of those shows, and finally, the opinion of the shows themselves, which are apparently sentient.
Yeah, I assumed it was mostly uncommon for a Star Trek fan to not like Star Trek. But to me, TOS only lasted 3 seasons, and should only be considered an extensive concept brainstorming session. Great things came from it decades later, but the show itself is just garbage.

Here's another one that I also think is uncommon among these parts:

NuTrek is not canonically connected to the rest of Star Trek in any way, even before the Kelvin incident. The filmmakers were only catering to us fanboys by saying "yeah guys, this is the Trek you all know and love, it's just that time travel spawned an alternate universe, so come see our movie."

No. It's just a straight reboot having nothing at all to do with the previous franchise, just like Batman Begins.
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Old May 22 2010, 04:27 PM   #544
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Here's another one that I also think is uncommon among these parts:

NuTrek is not canonically connected to the rest of Star Trek in any way, even before the Kelvin incident. The filmmakers were only catering to us fanboys by saying "yeah guys, this is the Trek you all know and love, it's just that time travel spawned an alternate universe, so come see our movie."

No. It's just a straight reboot having nothing at all to do with the previous franchise, just like Batman Begins.
We may disagree about TOS, but here we agree.
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Old May 22 2010, 06:26 PM   #545
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I'm also a little disappointed that we never got a Mr. Homn-centered episode.

Yes, Mr. Homn is awesome!!!
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Old May 22 2010, 08:11 PM   #546
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DevilEyes wrote: View Post
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TOS is garbage and shouldn't be considered canon. It was only thought of as good because most other tv and film up to that point was even worse garbage.

Star Trek began with the movies, established its foundation with TNG, and reached its full potential with DS9.
I want to congratulate you. You finally managed to post a really unpopular opinion in a thread which, despite being called Unpopular Trek Opinions, is mostly filled with rather common or not particularly controversial opinions. You were so successful that a bunch of people got outraged and started attacking you for several pages.... but then an even more amazing thing happened. Even though you are one person, you got promoted to the status of the majority or general opinion of not just all fans of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT, but also the writers and producers of those shows, and finally, the opinion of the shows themselves, which are apparently sentient.
I'm sorry. He had it coming. He got me mad.
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Old May 22 2010, 09:36 PM   #547
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but I think of it more as a nice novelty addition to the franchise, which I believe would do just fine without it.
I'm sure the rest of the franchise would be fine without the following:

The Starship Enterprise
Vulcans
Romulans
Klingons
United Federation of Planets
Starfleet
United Earth Space Probe Agency
Phasers
Photon Torpedoes
Transporters
Warp Drive
Zephram Cochrane
Andorians
Tellarites
Kang
Kor
Koloth
Montgomery Scott
Leonard McCoy
Spock
Dilithium Crystals
Psi 2000 virus
Saucer separation
Prime Directive
Number One
Cestus III
Orions
Orion Slave Girls
Pike City
Tribbles
The Starship Defiant

What is people's fascination with eliminating Star Trek from the franchise? Is it some type of jealously?
You didn't read what I said carefully. I said the franchise would be fine if there hadn't been the first "Star Trek" series BUT EVERYTHING AFTER IT HAPPENED JUST AS IT HAS. Don't think so literally.

Yes, all of those things appeared first in the original series and were carried on to later shows, but I was suggesting an alternate reality where they still existed despite not originating on that show. Yeah, it's a wacky and implausible idea (and now that I think about it, makes "Trials and Tribble-Ations", my favourite DS9 episode, pretty much impossible), but just go with me on this.

And make no mistake about it, I love "Star Trek"...just not as much as the even numbered movies (except "Nemesis"), most of TNG, and most of DS9. I was just saying it's my least favourite series of the franchise. Least favourite is still a favourite.
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Old May 23 2010, 02:49 PM   #548
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Season Three of "Star Trek" is more fun and quirkier that S2, thus "better." I used to just accept the party line that S3 is crap until owning and watching it as a whole. S2, they get into a rut and churn out "Star Trek shows": Kirk and Spock on the ____ (Nazi, Roman, Gangster) planet, then they escape.
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Old May 23 2010, 05:20 PM   #549
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Season Three of "Star Trek" is more fun and quirkier that S2, thus "better." I used to just accept the party line that S3 is crap until owning and watching it as a whole. S2, they get into a rut and churn out "Star Trek shows": Kirk and Spock on the ____ (Nazi, Roman, Gangster) planet, then they escape.
For me, season 3 is no different from 1 or 2 in respect to "good" or "bad" episodes. All three had both.

What made season 3 stand out for me was that it had some of the best music the series produced.
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Old May 23 2010, 05:39 PM   #550
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TOS is garbage and shouldn't be considered canon. It was only thought of as good because most other tv and film up to that point was even worse garbage.

Star Trek began with the movies, established its foundation with TNG, and reached its full potential with DS9.
I wouldn't go as far as 'garbage'.
~One third of the episodes is watchable.
The rest, though - meh. You need a lot of pink in your glasses to think they are anywhere near being good sci-fi.
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Old May 23 2010, 07:18 PM   #551
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What made season 3 stand out for me was that it had some of the best music the series produced.
Yeah, fairly recently that was being commented on around here. More string-heavy and melodic.
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Old May 23 2010, 07:40 PM   #552
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Picard is not a great captain.
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Old May 24 2010, 01:19 AM   #553
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Picard is not a great captain.

I like that opinion....
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Old May 24 2010, 03:09 AM   #554
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JJ's Trek Wars is an unholy abomination of unprecedented proportions, and old Spock in that movie, is NOT the Spock we've been following for the past 45 years.
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Old May 24 2010, 11:46 AM   #555
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I liked TOS season three. There, I said it
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