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Old May 16 2010, 06:55 AM   #451
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Re: Unpopular Trek Opinions — What Are Yours?

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- I don't particularly like Vic Fontaine
- STTMP is great
- "The Siege of AR-something" is a shit episode
- ENT's first season is the best
- Ezri was a waste of time
- Rom is an annoying clown
- ENT's Andorians were a failure
I'm chiming in to say that I agree with these.
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Old May 16 2010, 03:06 PM   #452
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Though still quite enjoyable in it's own right, Deep Space Nine is a total rip off of Babylon 5.
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Old May 16 2010, 03:23 PM   #453
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Though still quite enjoyable in it's own right, Deep Space Nine is a total rip off of Babylon 5.
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Old May 16 2010, 05:39 PM   #454
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Though still quite enjoyable in it's own right, Deep Space Nine is a total rip off of Babylon 5.
How do you know it's not the other way around??

And yes, I already know JMS' side of the story, but it's interesting that I've never heard Rick Berman's.

Is it possible that by his silence, Berman was simply taking the high road?
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Old May 17 2010, 02:14 AM   #455
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- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
- Deep Space Nine is my least favorite. (When I say this, I say a solid B- to Voyager's A+ or TOS's A)
- My favorite DS9 episodes are the "sci-fi" episodes of the first 3 seasons ("Move Along Home," "Babel," "Dramatis Personae," "Paradise," "Visionary" etc.)
- TNG Seasons 1 - 3 are better than 4 - 7.
- I thought the Enterprise finale was a great episode, and a fitting finale.
- "The Inner Light," "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Family" are terribly boring, bland, and uninteresting episodes.
- I do actually enjoy the Ferengi episodes of DS9, including "Profit and Lace."
- "The Wrath of Khan" is a fine movie, but I hate the ending.
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
- I have a great respect for all of the people behind Trek, including Rick Berman (my one BIG beef with him is dumbing down the music in Trek: TNG) and Brannon Braga.
- Voyager's "Relativity" is one of Top 20 Trek episodes, and would have been an awesome concept for a Series V. (Either that or a post-Voyager series with connections/plots/aliens from the DQ and GQ)
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Old May 17 2010, 02:54 AM   #456
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RandyS wrote: View Post
EnsignRicky wrote: View Post
Though still quite enjoyable in it's own right, Deep Space Nine is a total rip off of Babylon 5.
How do you know it's not the other way around??

And yes, I already know JMS' side of the story, but it's interesting that I've never heard Rick Berman's.

Is it possible that by his silence, Berman was simply taking the high road?
Likely, he just didn't care.

RHW wrote about the issue online, which I'm sure can be found somewhere. Let's just say that he rather disagreed with the proposition.
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Old May 17 2010, 02:59 AM   #457
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- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
Not mine, but I can understand the sentiment!
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
Again, I can totally see where you are coming from.
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Old May 17 2010, 01:14 PM   #458
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I haven't enjoyed a Trek film since number four.
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Old May 17 2010, 02:28 PM   #459
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TrekAlliance92 wrote: View Post
- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
- Deep Space Nine is my least favorite. (When I say this, I say a solid B- to Voyager's A+ or TOS's A)
- My favorite DS9 episodes are the "sci-fi" episodes of the first 3 seasons ("Move Along Home," "Babel," "Dramatis Personae," "Paradise," "Visionary" etc.)
- TNG Seasons 1 - 3 are better than 4 - 7.
- I thought the Enterprise finale was a great episode, and a fitting finale.
- "The Inner Light," "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Family" are terribly boring, bland, and uninteresting episodes.
- I do actually enjoy the Ferengi episodes of DS9, including "Profit and Lace."
- "The Wrath of Khan" is a fine movie, but I hate the ending.
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
- I have a great respect for all of the people behind Trek, including Rick Berman (my one BIG beef with him is dumbing down the music in Trek: TNG) and Brannon Braga.
- Voyager's "Relativity" is one of Top 20 Trek episodes, and would have been an awesome concept for a Series V. (Either that or a post-Voyager series with connections/plots/aliens from the DQ and GQ)
I would love to know a little more about why you prefer seasons 1-3 of TNG to 4-7. I'm not trying to be a smartass, start an argument or whatever. That's just not an opinion I've run into very many times.
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Old May 17 2010, 03:02 PM   #460
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barnaclelapse wrote: View Post
TrekAlliance92 wrote: View Post
- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
- Deep Space Nine is my least favorite. (When I say this, I say a solid B- to Voyager's A+ or TOS's A)
- My favorite DS9 episodes are the "sci-fi" episodes of the first 3 seasons ("Move Along Home," "Babel," "Dramatis Personae," "Paradise," "Visionary" etc.)
- TNG Seasons 1 - 3 are better than 4 - 7.
- I thought the Enterprise finale was a great episode, and a fitting finale.
- "The Inner Light," "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Family" are terribly boring, bland, and uninteresting episodes.
- I do actually enjoy the Ferengi episodes of DS9, including "Profit and Lace."
- "The Wrath of Khan" is a fine movie, but I hate the ending.
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
- I have a great respect for all of the people behind Trek, including Rick Berman (my one BIG beef with him is dumbing down the music in Trek: TNG) and Brannon Braga.
- Voyager's "Relativity" is one of Top 20 Trek episodes, and would have been an awesome concept for a Series V. (Either that or a post-Voyager series with connections/plots/aliens from the DQ and GQ)
I would love to know a little more about why you prefer seasons 1-3 of TNG to 4-7. I'm not trying to be a smartass, start an argument or whatever. That's just not an opinion I've run into very many times.
I actually prefer The Next Generation seasons 1 and 2 versus what came later.

The feel of the show definitely changed when Maurice Hurley left and Micheal Piller came aboard. It almost felt as if the show started buying into its own hype and started taking itself way too seriously. It was no longer fun to watch.

I'd rather watch Lonely Among Us, Justice, Skin of Evil, Where Silence Has Lease or Contagion versus anything that was produced later.
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Old May 17 2010, 04:42 PM   #461
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TrekAlliance92 wrote: View Post
- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
- Deep Space Nine is my least favorite. (When I say this, I say a solid B- to Voyager's A+ or TOS's A)
- My favorite DS9 episodes are the "sci-fi" episodes of the first 3 seasons ("Move Along Home," "Babel," "Dramatis Personae," "Paradise," "Visionary" etc.)
- TNG Seasons 1 - 3 are better than 4 - 7.
- I thought the Enterprise finale was a great episode, and a fitting finale.
- "The Inner Light," "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Family" are terribly boring, bland, and uninteresting episodes.
- I do actually enjoy the Ferengi episodes of DS9, including "Profit and Lace."
- "The Wrath of Khan" is a fine movie, but I hate the ending.
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
- I have a great respect for all of the people behind Trek, including Rick Berman (my one BIG beef with him is dumbing down the music in Trek: TNG) and Brannon Braga.
- Voyager's "Relativity" is one of Top 20 Trek episodes, and would have been an awesome concept for a Series V. (Either that or a post-Voyager series with connections/plots/aliens from the DQ and GQ)
Finally, a list where I completely and vehemently disagree with each one of the opinions.

(Well, apart from TWOK being a fine movie)
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Old May 18 2010, 12:20 AM   #462
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- I never had that much of a problem with Wesley Crusher.
- I don't believe the Borg are inherently evil.
- I have disliked Data ever since he installed his emotion chip, even though I agree that it's a good character advancement.
- Enterprise was a good series, from first episode to last.
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Old May 18 2010, 12:29 AM   #463
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- I never had that much of a problem with Wesley Crusher.
Epic agree.
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Old May 18 2010, 02:22 PM   #464
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BillJ wrote: View Post
barnaclelapse wrote: View Post
TrekAlliance92 wrote: View Post
- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
- Deep Space Nine is my least favorite. (When I say this, I say a solid B- to Voyager's A+ or TOS's A)
- My favorite DS9 episodes are the "sci-fi" episodes of the first 3 seasons ("Move Along Home," "Babel," "Dramatis Personae," "Paradise," "Visionary" etc.)
- TNG Seasons 1 - 3 are better than 4 - 7.
- I thought the Enterprise finale was a great episode, and a fitting finale.
- "The Inner Light," "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Family" are terribly boring, bland, and uninteresting episodes.
- I do actually enjoy the Ferengi episodes of DS9, including "Profit and Lace."
- "The Wrath of Khan" is a fine movie, but I hate the ending.
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
- I have a great respect for all of the people behind Trek, including Rick Berman (my one BIG beef with him is dumbing down the music in Trek: TNG) and Brannon Braga.
- Voyager's "Relativity" is one of Top 20 Trek episodes, and would have been an awesome concept for a Series V. (Either that or a post-Voyager series with connections/plots/aliens from the DQ and GQ)
I would love to know a little more about why you prefer seasons 1-3 of TNG to 4-7. I'm not trying to be a smartass, start an argument or whatever. That's just not an opinion I've run into very many times.
I actually prefer The Next Generation seasons 1 and 2 versus what came later.

The feel of the show definitely changed when Maurice Hurley left and Micheal Piller came aboard. It almost felt as if the show started buying into its own hype and started taking itself way too seriously. It was no longer fun to watch.

I'd rather watch Lonely Among Us, Justice, Skin of Evil, Where Silence Has Lease or Contagion versus anything that was produced later.
I agree with that. Early TNG seemed to have more danger to it, more exploration. Later TNG did have some good episodes, but it seemed like a pleasure cruise with Enterprise-D never in any real danger.
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Old May 18 2010, 03:00 PM   #465
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- Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series.
- Deep Space Nine is my least favorite. (When I say this, I say a solid B- to Voyager's A+ or TOS's A)
- My favorite DS9 episodes are the "sci-fi" episodes of the first 3 seasons ("Move Along Home," "Babel," "Dramatis Personae," "Paradise," "Visionary" etc.)
- TNG Seasons 1 - 3 are better than 4 - 7.
- I thought the Enterprise finale was a great episode, and a fitting finale.
- "The Inner Light," "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars" and "Family" are terribly boring, bland, and uninteresting episodes.
- I do actually enjoy the Ferengi episodes of DS9, including "Profit and Lace."
- "The Wrath of Khan" is a fine movie, but I hate the ending.
- "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" are great, enjoyable Star Trek movies.
- I have a great respect for all of the people behind Trek, including Rick Berman (my one BIG beef with him is dumbing down the music in Trek: TNG) and Brannon Braga.
- Voyager's "Relativity" is one of Top 20 Trek episodes, and would have been an awesome concept for a Series V. (Either that or a post-Voyager series with connections/plots/aliens from the DQ and GQ)
I would love to know a little more about why you prefer seasons 1-3 of TNG to 4-7. I'm not trying to be a smartass, start an argument or whatever. That's just not an opinion I've run into very many times.
For several different reasons. I enjoy more episodes per seasons 1 - 3 than the others. The reasons behind those include:

- Superior music (Got to love Ron Jones)
- More sense of exploration
- More sci-fi plots. In other words, I felt after Season 4, there were too many "character" focused episodes like "The Inner Light," "Liasons," "Eye of the Beholder, " etc. There were still some gems like "Parallels," "Devil's Due," and "Timescape" though.
- Preferred the older style uniforms
- Less action in 4 - 7. And, NO saucer separation.
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