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View Poll Results: Would you have liked to see the new uniforms?
Yes, most definitely! 54 59.34%
No, they're horrid. 37 40.66%
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Old March 18 2010, 04:47 PM   #1
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Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

In order to distract myself from a paper I'm supposed to write right now, I wondered what you guys thought about the alternative uniforms originally designed by Robert Blackman for Generations. They had a more naval and military look to them than the ones from The Next Generation and were somewhat reminiscent of the TOS movie uniforms (Star Trek II onwards). Would you have preferred them to the mix of TNG and DS9 uniforms we got instead?

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Old March 18 2010, 07:21 PM   #2
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Re: Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

I prefer them to the First Contact uniforms; I always found the ones they went with in FC rather uninspired and colorless compared with everything that came before. At least the alt-GEN ones kept the dominant multi-color scheme of all of the previous uniforms while taking some cues from TOS. And I also had no real problem with the use of DS9 uniforms in GEN; I just took it to mean the DS9 ones were more casual or utility oriented than the more formal ones from the show. It made sense the ship would have more than one style of uniform, but there could have been more rhyme or reason to how and where they were worn (DS9 uniforms in engineering or on the observatory but never on the bridge, etc.). But they were good enough for VOY so who knows?

Production reasons aside (all but a few of the then-existing TNG/DS9 uniforms were high-quality enough for the big screen; Frakes supposedly wore Avery Brooks' hero costume for instance), I never saw the need to change from the TNG S3 and DS9/Voyager uniform style at all, but anything to sell a new action figure...

Speaking of, for those who don't know these uniforms were used on the 1994 production GEN figures from Playmates. Filming actually began with the new duds above but was changed back too late to fix the figures. I never collect acton figures but have a complete set of these for just this reason; they're not worth anything but just an odd piece of Trek trivia.

I'm always on the lookout for the alt-GEN uniforms in clips, stills, or even in other Trek productions. Supposedly LaForge wore one in a deleted GEN scene on the Bird of Prey leading up to the torture scene, but my copy of that scene is a horrible VHS dub where you can hardly see anything. And I guess some of them turned up at the Christie's auction, but what other photo / video documentation exists of these uniforms?
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Old March 18 2010, 07:42 PM   #3
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Re: Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

Not really. They're not "horrid", but they're kinda meh, and they're so similar to the existing TNG uni that I have to wonder what the point is while the changes that are there are all ones I don't especially care for.


Besides which, the uniform change we got in First Contact is infinitely superior; definitely the best uniform in Trek.
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Old March 19 2010, 03:21 AM   #4
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I like the the re-introduction of the sleeve rank insignia and I also like the design because it is an evolutionary change and not a revolutionary one like the change we saw in Star Trek: Generations.
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Old March 19 2010, 05:34 AM   #5
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My favorite part about them is the rank stripes on the sleeves. It would have been cool if the FC uniforms had gone with those (gold stripes on the black sleeves probably would have looked pretty snazzy), and either done away with the collar pips, or kept them as well, like those GEN uniforms did.
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Old March 19 2010, 06:21 AM   #6
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Re: Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

Yeah, it would've been nice if they given those uniforms a shot. I recall that the change was made so late that the Generations action figures still had that uniform design.

Weren't they cut for budgetary reasons?
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Old March 19 2010, 07:23 PM   #7
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Re: Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

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Yeah, it would've been nice if they given those uniforms a shot. I recall that the change was made so late that the Generations action figures still had that uniform design.

Weren't they cut for budgetary reasons?
I believe the producers were worried about introducing too many new elements into the feature. They already re-designed the comm badges, spruced up the interior sets, re-painted the 6-foot Enterprise filming model, etc. I honestly don't think the new uniform design was all that great, anyway. The FC-style uniforms look great so I'm glad that these alternate uniforms were scrapped.
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Old March 19 2010, 11:50 PM   #8
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I believe the producers were worried about introducing too many new elements into the feature. They already re-designed the comm badges, spruced up the interior sets, re-painted the 6-foot Enterprise filming model, etc. I honestly don't think the new uniform design was all that great, anyway. The FC-style uniforms look great so I'm glad that these alternate uniforms were scrapped.
Wow, that's kind of a dumb reason. Did they not see how thoroughly TMP redesigned everything from TOS?

I was never too nuts about the FC uniforms. They're so homogeneous. I remember one of the columnists from Sci-Fi Universe called them 24th Century Granimals. That about summed up for me.
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Old March 20 2010, 01:02 AM   #9
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It's not really a dumb reason, remember that TMP was made a decade after the series, so having things the way they were made sense.

Generations however, was made as a sequel (almost) to the series, so you don't want to make to many changes.

I think they had just the right amount of old and new, and I loved the movie.
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Old March 20 2010, 04:56 PM   #10
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Re: Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

Weren't they cut for budgetary reasons?
No, because the money was already sunk into manufacturing the uniforms. And I suspect, but have never been able to confirm, that Voyager would have reused these uniforms.
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Old March 20 2010, 05:07 PM   #11
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And I suspect, but have never been able to confirm, that Voyager would have reused these uniforms.
Weren't there a couple of pre-production interviews where Berman states this is the case?
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Old March 20 2010, 05:25 PM   #12
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Weren't there a couple of pre-production interviews where Berman states this is the case?
There may be, but I don't recollect them. Honestly, I didn't spend a lot of time following the pre-production of Voyager.

But it's not an unreasonable assumption that the Generations uniforms were intended for reuse in Voyager. Deep Space Nine switched to the First Contact uniforms because the film's production budget absorbed the cost of the uniforms. (And it meant that the original DS9 uniforms wouldn't get double use from appearing on two shows simultaneously.)
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Old March 20 2010, 09:31 PM   #13
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Weren't there a couple of pre-production interviews where Berman states this is the case?
There may be, but I don't recollect them. Honestly, I didn't spend a lot of time following the pre-production of Voyager.

But it's not an unreasonable assumption that the Generations uniforms were intended for reuse in Voyager. Deep Space Nine switched to the First Contact uniforms because the film's production budget absorbed the cost of the uniforms. (And it meant that the original DS9 uniforms wouldn't get double use from appearing on two shows simultaneously.)
Indeed, there was a lot of uniform sharing going on. GEN used a mixture of the existing TNG and DS9 uniforms (only Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner actually got tailor-made DS9 jumpsuits). I suspect that DS9 and VOY shared the same pool of uniforms for extras and guest stars for a few years before the switch was made to the FC-style uniforms (after which, all of the old DS9 uniforms went exclusively to VOY).

I'm sure that the original intention was for VOY to use the new uniform design that was planned for GEN. After the film had wrapped, all of the uniforms could be used for extras and guest stars on the new series. But, since the producers changed their minds, VOY ended up getting the DS9-style jumpsuits instead.
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Old March 27 2010, 05:52 PM   #14
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I don't really care for the never used uniforms. To me they seem to be redesigned for no reason; they seem to close to the originals but it's like they went with the ones they used for a reason. I don't think I'm explaining myself well, I just don't like them. I might be one of the very few folks in the whole wide world who liked the mix of TNG and DS9 uniforms that they used in Generations. I think the mix of uniforms worked on the big screen, and contributed to the visual interest.
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Old March 27 2010, 08:24 PM   #15
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Re: Star Trek: Generations — Alternative Uniforms

I like the prototype uniforms; however, I also like the TNGM/DS9 uniforms a little more.

I'm happy with how things turned out.
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