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Old March 12 2010, 06:23 PM   #1
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Shar-Shran Coincidence

Since Avatar came out months before the Andorian incident, were the names a conicidence or did the tv writers take note of Shar and make Shran?
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Old March 12 2010, 06:36 PM   #2
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Re: Shar-Shran Coincidence

One of the first Andorian characters to be named -- technically the only Andorian character in TOS with a name, since Thelev was a fake -- was Ambassador Shras in "Journey to Babel." Naturally, when Trek writers are trying to come up with alien names, they tend to follow the precedent of existing names from that species. So lots of Andorian characters over the years have had names derived from "Thelev" and "Shras" (for instance, Thelin in "Yesteryear"). So it's not surprising that different people would independently come up with names that sounded similar to "Shras" for their Andorian characters.
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Old March 12 2010, 06:39 PM   #3
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Re: Shar-Shran Coincidence

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One of the first Andorian characters to be named -- technically the only Andorian character in TOS with a name, since Thelev was a fake -- was Ambassador Shras in "Journey to Babel." Naturally, when Trek writers are trying to come up with alien names, they tend to follow the precedent of existing names from that species. So lots of Andorian characters over the years have had names derived from "Thelev" and "Shras" (for instance, Thelin in "Yesteryear"). So it's not surprising that different people would independently come up with names that sounded similar to "Shras" for their Andorian characters.
Ah, I forgot Shras that makes sense now!
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Old March 12 2010, 06:42 PM   #4
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Re: Shar-Shran Coincidence

^ Don't forget, "Shar" is actually a shortening of the character's full name, Thirishar ch'Thane.

Wonder what ever happened to that dude.....
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Old March 12 2010, 06:47 PM   #5
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Re: Shar-Shran Coincidence

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^ Don't forget, "Shar" is actually a shortening of the character's full name, Thirishar ch'Thane.

Wonder what ever happened to that dude.....

Maybe he settled down, met a nice blind Aenar opened a diner and tells his children of his THREE MONTH Gamma quadrant adventure. Hell, Giligan lasted longer in the wild.
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Old March 12 2010, 07:40 PM   #6
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Wonder what ever happened to that dude.....
Subtle!
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Old March 12 2010, 07:42 PM   #7
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One of the first Andorian characters to be named -- technically the only Andorian character in TOS with a name, since Thelev was a fake -- was Ambassador Shras in "Journey to Babel." Naturally, when Trek writers are trying to come up with alien names, they tend to follow the precedent of existing names from that species. So lots of Andorian characters over the years have had names derived from "Thelev" and "Shras" (for instance, Thelin in "Yesteryear"). So it's not surprising that different people would independently come up with names that sounded similar to "Shras" for their Andorian characters.
In the Japanese doujinshi (fan comic) that was published in English in 1991 as "Star Trekker", one of the main supporting characters was the ship's engineer, an Andorian named Shran.

I doubt this was any factor in naming Jeffrey Combs' character in ENT, but it goes to show that even that far back it fit peoples' notion of what an Andorian name would be.
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Old March 12 2010, 10:07 PM   #8
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Re: Shar-Shran Coincidence

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In the Japanese doujinshi (fan comic) that was published in English in 1991 as "Star Trekker", one of the main supporting characters was the ship's engineer, an Andorian named Shran.
Drat. Beat me to it.



Starfleet engineer Shran, of the USS Constellation II, in the comic book parody collection, Star Trekker by Atelier Lana (Antarctic Press, 1991).
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Old March 12 2010, 10:10 PM   #9
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^ I think I might still have the trade paperback collection of those stories somewhere.
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Old March 12 2010, 10:14 PM   #10
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Starfleet engineer Shran, of the USS Constellation II, in the comic book parody collection, Star Trekker by Atelier Lana (Antarctic Press, 1991).
http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/2009/...s-gallery.html
Awwwww, he (she? whatever?) is really cute!
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Old March 14 2010, 02:16 AM   #11
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Wonder what ever happened to that dude.....
Well, I have my own ideas, but I'm sure you'll ruin them entirely.
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Old March 14 2010, 02:29 AM   #12
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One of the first Andorian characters to be named -- technically the only Andorian character in TOS with a name, since Thelev was a fake -- was Ambassador Shras in "Journey to Babel." Naturally, when Trek writers are trying to come up with alien names, they tend to follow the precedent of existing names from that species. So lots of Andorian characters over the years have had names derived from "Thelev" and "Shras" (for instance, Thelin in "Yesteryear"). So it's not surprising that different people would independently come up with names that sounded similar to "Shras" for their Andorian characters.
Come to think of it, this practice is as silly as the practice of having an entire alien race wear the same haircut. Imagine if an alien met, say, Jonathan Archer and Malcolm Reed, and concluded that every human must have a name that begins in "J" or "M"... no matter if they're Dutch, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Nigerian, Iranian, Brazilian, Indonesian...
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Old March 14 2010, 07:45 PM   #13
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Wonder what ever happened to that dude.....
Well, I have my own ideas, but I'm sure you'll ruin them entirely.
That's the spirit!
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Old March 15 2010, 07:25 AM   #14
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One of the first Andorian characters to be named -- technically the only Andorian character in TOS with a name, since Thelev was a fake -- was Ambassador Shras in "Journey to Babel." Naturally, when Trek writers are trying to come up with alien names, they tend to follow the precedent of existing names from that species. So lots of Andorian characters over the years have had names derived from "Thelev" and "Shras" (for instance, Thelin in "Yesteryear"). So it's not surprising that different people would independently come up with names that sounded similar to "Shras" for their Andorian characters.
Come to think of it, this practice is as silly as the practice of having an entire alien race wear the same haircut. Imagine if an alien met, say, Jonathan Archer and Malcolm Reed, and concluded that every human must have a name that begins in "J" or "M"... no matter if they're Dutch, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Nigerian, Iranian, Brazilian, Indonesian...
I can sorta live with the idea that other species are more monocultural than we, especially with the Andorians apparently having a much smaller population that is much more geographically concentrated--icebreakers notwithstanding, I would strongly expect there are few navigable oceans on Andor what with orbiting a gas giant, and even if bad seas could be overcome, they would still have few serviceable beaches and ports. Not that Heather Jarman knew that Andor was a moon.

Now, if the Aenar, who are clearly very far removed from the main Andorian line to be born blind, even speak the same language, that's some BS.

And something I've got to add because this just makes me livid... I checked MA to confirm the born blind thing, and they have some photos of the two Aenar characters... the lack of pigment is fine, but through the skin you can see that they specifically added... pink. Because that's what human albinos sort of look like.

In the same arc, in the same episode Shran was bleeding blue. Did the people who made Enterprise even watch their own God damned show? Gah!!!
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Now, if the Aenar, who are clearly very far removed from the main Andorian line to be born blind, even speak the same language, that's some BS.
Universal translator?

And something I've got to add because this just makes me livid... I checked MA to confirm the born blind thing, and they have some photos of the two Aenar characters... the lack of pigment is fine, but through the skin you can see that they specifically added... pink. Because that's what human albinos sort of look like.
No. Even Shran's makeup has a dappled orange basecoat, surprisingly enough, then covered over with a translucent blue. For the Aenar the makeup guys used a very pale blue topcoat, which photographed stark white. I have a set of Aenar antennae right here. The Aenar antennae are a creamy white with medium blue shadowing. It's an eerie colour and looks like blue blood is not far below the surface. The inner lining of their antennae is a pinker pale fleshy colour, but so are Shran's.

In the same arc, in the same episode Shran was bleeding blue. Did the people who made Enterprise even watch their own God damned show? Gah!!!
Sure, but Shran's tongue, eye rims, the inner lining of his mouth and the inner cups of his antennae are pinkish, hence the orange basecoat to tie everything together.

As for hair, the male Andorians we saw were usually always military men, hence the hairstyles being short military haircuts. The males in "Babel One" did show some individual differences (one resembled Thelev's style from TOS) and females Tarah, Talas and Talla all had different hairstyles.
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