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Old March 10 2010, 04:35 PM   #736
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I hardly see why that's a risible opinion. It's a masterful film that set the bar for all subsequent romantic comedies in terms of originality.
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Old March 10 2010, 05:10 PM   #737
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^ And it's simply better written, acted, and directed than Star Wars.

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Old March 10 2010, 05:51 PM   #738
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Thumbs up to all my enlightened cinephiles sticking up for my beloved masterpiece "Annie Hall" over the empty, shallow, overrated spectacle that is "Star Wars". I'll admit that the Academy has often favoured pretentious feel good movies over much smarter and more creative films simply because the latter were more violent or dark (i.e. "Dances with Wolves" over "Goodfellas", "Shakespeare in Love" over "Saving Private Ryan"), but choosing "Annie Hall" over "Star Wars" was one of the times when they made the right decision by choosing the kinder, gentler, 'adult' flick over the one more popular with younger folks.
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Old March 10 2010, 05:58 PM   #739
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Thumbs up to all my enlightened cinephiles sticking up for my beloved masterpiece "Annie Hall" over the empty, shallow, overrated spectacle that is "Star Wars".
Supporting Annie Hall isn't to denigrate Star Wars. It's as good an adventure movie as has ever been made, and it would have been a worthy winner as well.
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Old March 10 2010, 06:01 PM   #740
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Yeah, Annie Hall is the better movie, but I still love Star Wars. Hell, I own five copies of it.

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Old March 10 2010, 06:02 PM   #741
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Yes, I suppose it wouldn't have been a travesty if Star Wars won, from an objective standpoint. It certainly is impressive in terms of production design and visual effects, which were obviously very original and influential in film history in a good way.

I guess the characters were endearing too, at least much more than those in the prequels, but I still think "Annie Hall" is vastly superior to it in every way and although "Star Wars" would have been far from one of the worst movies to win best picture, I definitely would have felt that "Annie Hall" was robbed if it had taken the Golden Boy.
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Old March 11 2010, 04:50 AM   #742
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If nothing else, the degree to which T'Bonz got owned in this thread has elevated it to legendary status.

I eagerly await her chastened return.
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Old March 11 2010, 12:35 PM   #743
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An Oscar for America's Hubris
According to press reports, members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences finally found a movie about the Iraq war they liked because it is “apolitical.” Actually, “The Hurt Locker” is just the opposite; it’s an endorsement of the politically chauvinistic view that the world is a stage upon which Americans get to deal with their demons no matter the consequence for others.

It is imperial hubris turned into an art form in which the Iraqi people appear as numbed bystanders when they are not deranged extras. It is a perverse tribute to the film’s accuracy in portraying the insanity of the U.S. invasion—while ignoring its root causes—that the Iraqis are at no point treated as though they are important.
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Old March 11 2010, 02:56 PM   #744
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An Oscar for America's Hubris
According to press reports, members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences finally found a movie about the Iraq war they liked because it is “apolitical.” Actually, “The Hurt Locker” is just the opposite; it’s an endorsement of the politically chauvinistic view that the world is a stage upon which Americans get to deal with their demons no matter the consequence for others.

It is imperial hubris turned into an art form in which the Iraqi people appear as numbed bystanders when they are not deranged extras. It is a perverse tribute to the film’s accuracy in portraying the insanity of the U.S. invasion—while ignoring its root causes—that the Iraqis are at no point treated as though they are important.
That wasn't really the point of the movie either. It's to show the perspective of the Iraqis from that of the bomb disposal technicians - who are of course going to view those around the people observing their work with a range from indifference to fear. Knowing that any one of them is potentially waiting to set off the bomb while you're working on it doesn't exactly leave a lot of time to build friendships. Nor are they going to stop and reflect on the philosophical reasons behind the war while they're trying to avoid dying in a blast.

The article does mention the boy who Sgt. James befriends on base and whom he goes on a very dangerous unauthorized lone journey through Baghdad at night for at one point. But it doesn't mention the base psychiatrist trying to befriend Iraqis or the extraordinary efforts Sgt. James and his team go through to try and save an Iraqi family man who was locked into a suicide vest against his will; which almost wound up killing them as well. It also neglects to mention that they are also saving Iraqi lives by disabling these bombs and that there are several moments where the easier option would have been to simply kill the Iraqi person rather than risk your life, yet they chose to take the risk instead.

While I haven't served myself, I have a family full of veterans (some from Iraq and Afghanistan) and the depictions of daily life and what concerns the troops in the film ring true to what they've said for the most part. It's not an Iraq War film by Terrence Malick where everyone is waxing poetic about the reasons behind the war; they're just trying to survive and do their best for themselves and their team while fighting boredom, depression, and fears about life back home and the future.

I think people are expecting this movie to be way more than what it set out to be. It's not pro-war or anti-war, it's just trying to relate the experiences of these three guys doing an incredibly stressful job day in and day out.
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Old March 11 2010, 08:27 PM   #745
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^Well put. And it could have been set in any war, not just Iraq.
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