Prometheus: Ridley Scott returns to Sci-Fi - Page 53

Xavier_Storma · March 31 2012, 12:54 PM

I am dying to see this film...

If only I had the same anticipation for the next Trek film(s). But after the huge disappointment XI was for me, I have no interest left to see the sequel...

PROMETHEUS looks incredible! Epic!

Garak · March 31 2012, 10:48 PM

Captain_Amasov wrote:

Kaijima wrote:

Base_Delta_Zero wrote:

I like how there's all this "It's not a prequel to Alien" tripe, and then EVERY ELEMENT of the film revealed so far refers back to Alien.

Spaceships? Check
Horror both psychological and ichy? Check
Strong female lead(s)? Check
Weyland (Yutani) Corp.? Check
Android crew member? Check
LV-426? Check
Derelict? Check
Space Jockey? Check
Alien Egg-type things? Check
Melting helmet faceplate? Check
Med-bay patient shenanigans? Check
Direct threat to mankind if it gets back to Earth? Check
Ancient Alien Reference? Wait, you mean like in AVP? Check

It takes place before the events of Alien. It involves concepts, artifacts and beings that will, in universe, appear in some form in Alien and elsewhere in the franchise.

It is a prequel to Alien.

Other movies have also taken place in universe before Alien, and like the dreaded Star Wars prequels, still exist in the real world. Get over it.

EDIT: Forgot to mention...Trailer Music & title reveal for new movie matching the original film? Check

I think the idea is not that it isn't a prequel to Alien. More that, if Scott's claims are true, it doesn't necessarily lead in to Alien. In other words, it would effectively be a reboot, starting with the same or similar characters and certain locations from Alien's backstory. But if another film is made it would diverge from a timeline that includes the original alien.

And honestly, I would find that quite interesting. For example: nobody doubts the quality of Cameron's Aliens. But Cameron did invent things Scott never intended originally. By making the xenomorphs "animals" complete with a queen, Cameron overwrote Scott's original, potential concept of the xenomorphs as purely biomech tools and war machines deployed by the civilization of the crashed ship.

Scott may have decided to get things "back on track" by just starting from scratch and portraying the alien technology, and any biomechanical creatures spawned from it, inline with his original concepts. Further films in a Prometheus timeline could go very different places than the Alien franchise had before. For example, war between humanity and the true alien civilization itself, in which creatures such as the xenomorphs are merely devices and not the stars of the show.

I think that's quite likely the case. Didn't Ridley also re-insert the human-to-egg conversion scene back into his "Director's Cut" of Alien back in 2003? It implied a very different, and somewhat "alien", process than the one we see in Aliens with the queen just laying eggs.

Can you elaborate on the human to egg conversion scene? Don't believe I've seen the director's cut.

Harvey · March 31 2012, 11:07 PM

See it for yourself. There are various versions of the scene on YouTube, including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU

The Borgified Corpse · March 31 2012, 11:27 PM

nvek86 wrote:

They are probably only denying that it's a prequel, so that people don't go to the film expecting the classic Xenomorphs/Aliens to appear.

That's my take on it too. If Scott were trying to completely reboot things, I suspect he would make things more different. (Didn't the "Weyland-Yutani" name & logo originate with Cameron's Aliens?)

Mr. Laser Beam · April 1 2012, 12:03 AM

Garak wrote:

Can you elaborate on the human to egg conversion scene? Don't believe I've seen the director's cut.

There is a scene in the original film (director's cut only) where Ripley comes across Dallas (the captain) and Brett (one of the engineers), who are being gradually turned into eggs. Dallas begs her to kill them, which she does.

Harvey · April 1 2012, 12:13 AM

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

nvek86 wrote:

They are probably only denying that it's a prequel, so that people don't go to the film expecting the classic Xenomorphs/Aliens to appear.

That's my take on it too. If Scott were trying to completely reboot things, I suspect he would make things more different. (Didn't the "Weyland-Yutani" name & logo originate with Cameron's Aliens?)

I believe the logo comes from Cameron's film; the name (spelled Weylan-Yutani) comes from Alien.

The Wormhole · April 1 2012, 12:58 AM

Harvey wrote:

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

nvek86 wrote:

They are probably only denying that it's a prequel, so that people don't go to the film expecting the classic Xenomorphs/Aliens to appear.

That's my take on it too. If Scott were trying to completely reboot things, I suspect he would make things more different. (Didn't the "Weyland-Yutani" name & logo originate with Cameron's Aliens?)

I believe the logo comes from Cameron's film; the name (spelled Weylan-Yutani) comes from Alien.

I thought it was the other way around, logo came from Alien, name from Aliens?

Harvey · April 1 2012, 01:01 AM

It's possible that the logo also appears in Scott's film, but the name definitely originates from it. As I indicated, however, Cameron's film changed the spelling to Weyland-Yutani.

Wikipedia indicates that the logo appears in the Scott film, specifically on beer cans in the movie. It doesn't have any images, though.

EDIT: Here's an image (scroll down in the thread). It looks like Cameron changed the logo for his film.

The Wormhole · April 1 2012, 01:23 AM

Well you're always learning something new. Honestly I just assumed that since the name of "the Company" is never spoken in Alien that the name simply was't revealed until Aliens. Oh well, it's nice to be wrong sometimes.

jefferiestubes8 · April 1 2012, 03:42 PM

Oh no

there are reports from Empire and Giant Freakin Robot that Prometheus may actually be released with a PG-13 rating.

Will Prometheus be toned down and PG-13?
http://m.tgdaily.com/games-and-enter...down-and-pg-13

davejames · April 1 2012, 06:51 PM

jefferiestubes8 wrote:

on set photos Empire Magazine

http://latino-review.com/2012/03/28/...mpire-covered/

lovin the production design.
source

So has it always been known that Alien takes place in 2122? I was always under the impression the dates were kept pretty vague in the Alien universe, but clearly I wasn't paying enough attention.

Reverend · April 1 2012, 09:23 PM

jefferiestubes8 wrote:

Oh no

there are reports from Empire and Giant Freakin Robot that Prometheus may actually be released with a PG-13 rating.

Will Prometheus be toned down and PG-13?
http://m.tgdaily.com/games-and-enter...down-and-pg-13

*Glances at calender*

You know, the internet should really just get shut down on April 1st. You can never tell what news story to trust.

Trubinator · April 1 2012, 11:40 PM

All those sources are just interpreting what Ridley Scott said in a recent interview. Essentially, he acknowledges that a PG-13 rating is viewed as more commercially viable by the studio. However, he also stressed that he filmed it with an R-rating in mind and will pursue that rating.

HotRod · April 2 2012, 12:26 AM

davejames wrote:

jefferiestubes8 wrote:

on set photos Empire Magazine

http://latino-review.com/2012/03/28/...mpire-covered/

lovin the production design.
source

So has it always been known that Alien takes place in 2122? I was always under the impression the dates were kept pretty vague in the Alien universe, but clearly I wasn't paying enough attention.

In "Aliens", Ripley makes mentions that Burke sent the message to the LV-426 on I believe 06/12/79. So taking the year as being 2179, and Ripley having been frozen for 57 years, the events of "Alien" take place in the year 2122. So it does seems Scott is paying some respect to what canon Cameron established in the series.

Samson88B · April 2 2012, 05:02 PM

Harvey wrote:

See it for yourself. There are various versions of the scene on YouTube, including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU

This may sound lame but you have restored my sanity. I first saw Alien when I was 9 years old. Later when I was about 14 or so I bought the novel and read it. There was a particular scene in the novel that described the "nest scene" or deleted scene.

As I read that part I could vividly see that scene in my mind as if I saw it on the movie itself. Many times seeing a movie first then reading the book often translates into you seeing images of the movie in your head as you read the book. The problem that I had was when I finally saw the movie for a second time, the nest scene was no longer in the movie. I often wondered and questioned in my head if I actually ever did see the scene or if it was just my mind putting together the scene in my head as I read the book.

Now some 28 years later I finally found out that I was not crazy and that scene was not something I imagined in my head that was created from the novel.

Thank you very much for that link. LOL

March 31 2012, 12:54 PM	#781
Xavier_Storma Lieutenant Commander Location: Duesseldorf, Germany	Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott returns to Sci-Fi I am dying to see this film... If only I had the same anticipation for the next Trek film(s). But after the huge disappointment XI was for me, I have no interest left to see the sequel... PROMETHEUS looks incredible! Epic! __________________ Star Trek - A Final Unity http://www.st-afu.com

March 31 2012, 11:07 PM	#783
Harvey Admiral	Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott returns to Sci-Fi See it for yourself. There are various versions of the scene on YouTube, including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

April 1 2012, 01:01 AM	#788
Harvey Admiral	Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott returns to Sci-Fi It's possible that the logo also appears in Scott's film, but the name definitely originates from it. As I indicated, however, Cameron's film changed the spelling to Weyland-Yutani. Wikipedia indicates that the logo appears in the Scott film, specifically on beer cans in the movie. It doesn't have any images, though. EDIT: Here's an image (scroll down in the thread). It looks like Cameron changed the logo for his film. __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."

April 1 2012, 01:23 AM	#789
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott returns to Sci-Fi Well you're always learning something new. Honestly I just assumed that since the name of "the Company" is never spoken in Alien that the name simply was't revealed until Aliens. Oh well, it's nice to be wrong sometimes. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

April 1 2012, 11:40 PM	#793
Trubinator Rear Admiral Location: Chico, Calif.	Re: MPAA rating All those sources are just interpreting what Ridley Scott said in a recent interview. Essentially, he acknowledges that a PG-13 rating is viewed as more commercially viable by the studio. However, he also stressed that he filmed it with an R-rating in mind and will pursue that rating. __________________ "Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." --Arthur C. Clarke

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