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Old February 23 2010, 10:34 PM   #31
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There was a novel (can't remember which) which had "Number One" identified as Chapel's older sister, hence the resemblence. Not a bad bit of retro-conning.
I think that's from one of those "Star Trek Mysteries Solved" articles in the Best of Trek collections, rather than from a novel.
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Old February 24 2010, 01:25 PM   #32
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So Number One's real name was something like Denise Chapel?
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Old February 24 2010, 03:29 PM   #33
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So Number One's real name was something like Denise Chapel?
I was thinking Charlene I think that Christopher nailed it, that I must have read it in that Mysteries Solved compilation. Man, that was a long time ago.
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Old February 24 2010, 06:44 PM   #34
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Didn't we decide Janice Lester was just plain crazy, and shouldn't be paid any attention?
She was a little off her rocker, but no where in that episode does Kirk debate her 'star fleet is sexist' remarks. And I think, in the 60s, thats the message they wanted to convey. That the military, or society, was sexist in these matters.

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Agreed. I just rewatched the episode. Analyzing the infamous line early in the episode, I tried to imagine that it was Lester addressing Kirk's world specifically, because she was obsessed with the idea that he excluded her from his world, including his career as a Star Fleet captain. However, the rest of the episode supports the view that her remark was literal to Star Fleet as a whole. She spent her time in Kirk's body enjoying the power and control that she wielded, and that apparently Star Fleet denied to any woman of that time.

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Old February 24 2010, 09:53 PM   #35
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Re: Majel Barrett Roddenberry-Number One

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There was a novel (can't remember which) which had "Number One" identified as Chapel's older sister, hence the resemblence. Not a bad bit of retro-conning.
That was a suggestion in an article in the "Star Trek Mysteries... Solved!" series in "The Best of Trek" books.

It was an idea I ended up using in a fanfic, "The Last Talosian", and I'm sure other fanfic writers have used it too.

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So Number One's real name was something like Denise Chapel?
Leigh Chapel (after Majel Leigh Hudec), actually, using the reference in "The Best of Trek" and Geoffrey Mandel's USS Enterprise Officer's Manual prozine.
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Old February 26 2010, 04:07 PM   #36
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I prefer the Morgan Primus angle, myself.
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Old February 26 2010, 11:07 PM   #37
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I prefer the Morgan Primus angle, myself.
The thing is, the immortal Morgan Primus angle means that she can be Morgan le Fay (of Arthurian legend - "Excalibur!"), Chapel's big sister (Number One - "primus = one"), Timothea Rogers, Mrs Lefler, and many others, all in the same lifetime.
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Old February 27 2010, 12:44 AM   #38
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I prefer the Morgan Primus angle, myself.
The thing is, the immortal Morgan Primus angle means that she can be Morgan le Fay (of Arthurian legend - "Excalibur!"), Chapel's big sister (Number One - "primus = one"), Timothea Rogers, Mrs Lefler, and many others, all in the same lifetime.
And no doubt married to Flint, twice.

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Old February 27 2010, 04:13 AM   #39
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I prefer the Morgan Primus angle, myself.
The thing is, the immortal Morgan Primus angle means that she can be Morgan le Fay (of Arthurian legend - "Excalibur!"), Chapel's big sister (Number One - "primus = one"), Timothea Rogers, Mrs Lefler, and many others, all in the same lifetime.
Has she actually claimed to be all of those people? Primus *did* say she was Number One, I think, but I don't remember her claiming to be anyone else you mentioned.

And I don't think she's necessarily related to Christine. I wasn't even trying to imply that. I was just suggesting that Number One is Morgan Primus, no other.
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Old February 27 2010, 10:58 AM   #40
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Has she actually claimed to be all of those people? Primus *did* say she was Number One, I think, but I don't remember her claiming to be anyone else you mentioned.
She has claimed to have worked with Spock while under Pike. She never actually said she was Number One, but looks like her. And Primus = One.

Others notice that she sounds just like the standard Starfleet ship's computer.

Primus reminds Picard of Mrs Troi - and Primus writes to someone called 'Xana (ie. Lwaxana), who also has a single daughter of marriageable age.

Scotty (IIRC) noticed that Morgan Primus looked exactly like Christine Chapel.

Jerry Oltion once called Number One "Lt Cmdr Lefler", because he said Peter David told him that Primus was to be revealed as Number One, not only Robin Lefler's mother but PAD denies this conversation.

In comics, "Double Time" deliberately conceals her face and "Turnaround" shows she is identical in appearance to Number One and even wears a similar old Starfleet uniform top.

I was just suggesting that Number One is Morgan Primus, no other.
According to PAD, MP is simply the character that would have been played by Majel Barrett, had NF been a TV series. Since her immortal body has been destroyed, Morgan really is the voice of Excelsior's computer.

Fans have speculated that, being immortal, she was also once Morgan le Fay.
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Old February 28 2010, 04:11 AM   #41
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Since the suits didn't like GR's mistress as Number One I cant see them giving the okay to use Majel for anything more than a reoccurring role like Chapel.

The fact that she was Roddenberry's girlfriend had little to do with getting the role as No.1. He could've easily cast a much bigger star in her place, and given her a token role the way he eventually had to.

And let's set the record straight. She wasn't "dating" him for his money or power. He was a nobody when she met him. She truly loved that man, more than I've ever seen anyone love anyone else. She sparkled around him like a newly cut diamond.
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Old February 28 2010, 04:13 AM   #42
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The fact that she was Roddenberry's girlfriend had little to do with getting the role as No.1. He could've easily cast a much bigger star in her place, and given her a token role the way he eventually had to.
Maybe not, but the network's perception of that casting choice had a lot to do with her not keeping the role. They weren't happy with the way it looked, the scandal that could be created if it became commonly known that a married producer had given his mistress a leading role in his show.
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Old February 28 2010, 04:16 AM   #43
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Since the suits didn't like GR's mistress as Number One I cant see them giving the okay to use Majel for anything more than a reoccurring role like Chapel.

The fact that she was Roddenberry's girlfriend had little to do with getting the role as No.1. He could've easily cast a much bigger star in her place, and given her a token role the way he eventually had to.

And let's set the record straight. She wasn't "dating" him for his money or power. He was a nobody when she met him. She truly loved that man, more than I've ever seen anyone love anyone else. She sparkled around him like a newly cut diamond.

That's such a lovely expression. You knew her personally she and Gene were together?

I'm not doubting you, I believe what you say, I'm just curious if you'd actually met them personally and are talking from first-hand experience.
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Old February 28 2010, 05:04 AM   #44
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And it is a positive testimonial that Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. approached Nichelle Nichols and asked to stay on the show as Uhura, even though the character grew only in spurts.
Not to derail the thread, but I still call bullshit on the MLK story, because it has morphed and changed so many times over the years. First she was inspired by MLK, then she got a phone call from him, then she met him at a party, and on and on. I tend to believe that either it was a very minor incident of some sort which Nichols has way overblown through the years, or it never happened at all.
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Since the suits didn't like GR's mistress as Number One I cant see them giving the okay to use Majel for anything more than a reoccurring role like Chapel.

The fact that she was Roddenberry's girlfriend had little to do with getting the role as No.1. He could've easily cast a much bigger star in her place, and given her a token role the way he eventually had to.

And let's set the record straight. She wasn't "dating" him for his money or power. He was a nobody when she met him. She truly loved that man, more than I've ever seen anyone love anyone else. She sparkled around him like a newly cut diamond.
I dont think anyone said she was sleeping with him because he had fame or power nor saying she got the role because she was his girlfriend. Though at that time I wouldn't call her a great actress, so I can see the suits objecting on those grounds.
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