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Old January 20 2010, 05:09 PM   #1
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TOS-R "The Cloud Minders" editing fix?

Hi guys, I thought the good people at TOS-R fixed the moment in 'The Cloud Minders' right after the title, where Kirk says 'What is the meaning of this attack?!' but his lips don't move.

When I saw this episode in syndication last year, I could have sworn they fixed the mistake by simply cutting to a reverse shot, so you can't see his face when this line is spoken, but I was just watching this ep on Bluray and the editing/dubbing mistake is back again?

Anyone else catch this episode when it aired to confirm/deny that they ever did fix it? Can anyone reach out to Mike Okuda or Dave Rossi to find out what the deal is?
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Old January 21 2010, 05:13 AM   #2
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Re: TOS-R "The Cloud Minders" editing fix?

Now I have to go watch this... I never noticed it before.
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Old January 21 2010, 05:18 PM   #3
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Now I have to go watch this... I never noticed it before.
I just watched the BD version a week or so ago, and didn't notice it, but now I remember that the glitch has been mentioned on this forum before.

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Old January 22 2010, 08:11 PM   #4
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Yeah, it's there alright... and I'm almost 100% sure they fixed it when doing the remaster, just can't figure out how a different edit could make it to BD than to syndication.
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Old January 23 2010, 12:08 AM   #5
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Just so long as they don't change the outfit Diana Ewing wore. That in itself is enough to merit watching this episode.
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Old January 25 2010, 12:28 AM   #6
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Amen, buckeye
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Old January 25 2010, 01:47 AM   #7
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I just double-checked a recording I made of the episode back when it aired locally, and sure enough, they substituted a shot of the four captors, with Kirk speaking his line off-screen.

I've been meaning to watch this on Blu-ray, so I guess tonight is as good a time as any. And yes, when I re-watched this episode for the first time since I was a kid, I had to remind myself to breathe after the lovely Miss Ewing's entrance.

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Old January 25 2010, 03:23 AM   #8
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. . . when I re-watched this episode for the first time since I was a kid, I had to remind myself to breathe after the lovely Miss Ewing's entrance.
Yes, the masterful William Theiss outdid himself with that costume. I suppose in a completely artificial, climate-controlled environment, you could walk around nearly naked from the waist up without getting cold, and the floor-length skirt wouldn't pick up dirt. The cape looks kind of awkward, though.

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Old January 25 2010, 07:40 AM   #9
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They were definitely making up for lost time with all the exposed belly buttons that last season...
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Old January 25 2010, 04:11 PM   #10
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Thanks Mark! Let me know if your Bluray is the same as mine, with the old shot back in!
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Old January 26 2010, 02:23 AM   #11
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Thanks Mark! Let me know if your Bluray is the same as mine, with the old shot back in!
It is. Strange they would change it for the broadcast, then restore it for the Blu-ray.

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Old January 26 2010, 03:17 PM   #12
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That is really bizarre... I know the stations that syndicate the show have the ability to edit for time but I doubt they edited this mistake out.

Somewhere along the line one 'master' was delivered to stations and another to the guys for the BD encoding.
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Old January 28 2010, 01:01 AM   #13
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Diana Ewing is one of the few women I first remember seeing when I was a small child that I wish hadn't had to grow old. Time, you are the enemy of us all!
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Old January 28 2010, 03:28 PM   #14
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^ Time is the fire in which we burn [wow never realized how harsh that line really is until I typed it]
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Old January 28 2010, 07:27 PM   #15
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. . . when I re-watched this episode for the first time since I was a kid, I had to remind myself to breathe after the lovely Miss Ewing's entrance.
Yes, the masterful William Theiss outdid himself with that costume. I suppose in a completely artificial, climate-controlled environment, you could walk around nearly naked from the waist up without getting cold, and the floor-length skirt wouldn't pick up dirt. The cape looks kind of awkward, though.

http://harperganesvoort.files.wordpr...ne-episode.jpg
Perfect demonstration of what became known as "The Theiss Effect" - the sexiness of a woman's outfit is directly proportional to the perception of how close it is to falling off of her.
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