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Old February 11 2010, 10:20 PM   #16
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I didn't care for the first movie. Its plot doesn't really hold together -- there's a key clue involving a Bible that somehow leads Hunt to realize who the bad guy is, but there's no reason why that clue would lead to that conclusion. And what it does to the character of Jim Phelps is unforgivable. As for the second movie, it's just not my cup of tea.

The problem with the M:I movies is that none of them really have anything to do with M:I. The first film is a Brian DePalma spy thriller, the second film is a John Woo noisefest, and the third film is Alias redux. But the third film does the best job of paying homage to the format and style of the original show, at least in the Vatican sequence. It's also the best, most character-driven movie of the three. So I'd rather have Abrams producing the fourth film than any of the others.
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Old February 11 2010, 10:26 PM   #17
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Yeah, the Jim Phelps character-rape is pretty inforgivable, but I still think MI is a pretty intense and good "spy thriller." How often has the server-room scene been imitated, copied, or even referenced? It's a classic scene.
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Old February 11 2010, 11:00 PM   #18
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I thought that M:I:III was pretty good, so I down for a forth.

I wonder if they will call it M:I:IV:Revenge of the Colons.
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Old February 11 2010, 11:12 PM   #19
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I wonder if any Star Trek XI cast member will cameo. Nimoy as the bad guy?

Nimoy- Ethan I have and always will be your friend
He could play the older version of his Paris character from the original series. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he was in it.
I thought the original M:I cast have all disavowed the films and refuse to have anything to do with them. If this is true, then GOOD FOR THEM.

As for Jim:
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Old February 11 2010, 11:29 PM   #20
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I wonder if any Star Trek XI cast member will cameo. Nimoy as the bad guy?

Nimoy- Ethan I have and always will be your friend
He could play the older version of his Paris character from the original series. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he was in it.
I thought the original M:I cast have all disavowed the films and refuse to have anything to do with them. If this is true, then GOOD FOR THEM.

As for Jim:
Eh the logic of the film seems to preclude that.

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Old February 12 2010, 12:02 PM   #21
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I wonder if any Star Trek XI cast member will cameo. Nimoy as the bad guy?

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He could play the older version of his Paris character from the original series. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he was in it.
I thought the original M:I cast have all disavowed the films and refuse to have anything to do with them. If this is true, then GOOD FOR THEM.
Peter Graves did for obvious reasons. But Nimoy - who wasn't an original cast member, he came in after Martin Landau left (ironically, Landau was on the shortlist to play Spock and then Sarek) - said last year that he would consider doing so if asked by Abrams.
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Old February 12 2010, 02:47 PM   #22
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And hey, they could have a throwaway line in M:I IV where Paris reveals that the "Jim Phelps" in the first movie was an impostor.
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Old February 12 2010, 05:04 PM   #23
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Old February 12 2010, 05:23 PM   #24
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Meh. First one was good. The second two not so much. Plus I'm much less of a fan of Tom Cruise than I used to be. I won't be seeing it.
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And hey, they could have a throwaway line in M:I IV where Paris reveals that the "Jim Phelps" in the first movie was an impostor.
My friend suggested once that Jim Phelps was the codename for the team leader, but I told him it couldn't work because before Peter Graves's Jim Phelps there had been Dan Briggs (played by Steven Hill). Moreover, Tom Cruise's Ethan didn't take up the "codename" in the next movie when he became team leader.

And I agree with Christopher the M:I movies have yet to capture the original concept of Geller's show; although, the third came close with the Vatican sequence. The original was centered around the Big Con, usually getting the villain to orchestrate his/her own downfall.

The George Clooney/Brad Pitt Ocean's 11 was closer to the original M:I series than the Cruise movies. It nearly even had the beat of the original pilot episode: the mission (vault robbery); team gathering/selection; the apartment scene (or, in this case, hotel scene) discussing how to accomplish the heist; and finally, the complication of the heist and how it nearly goes wrong.
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And hey, they could have a throwaway line in M:I IV where Paris reveals that the "Jim Phelps" in the first movie was an impostor.
My friend suggested once that Jim Phelps was the codename for the team leader, but I told him it couldn't work because before Peter Graves's Jim Phelps there had been Dan Briggs (played by Steven Hill). Moreover, Tom Cruise's Ethan didn't take up the "codename" in the next movie when he became team leader.

And I agree with Christopher the M:I movies have yet to capture the original concept of Geller's show; although, the third came close with the Vatican sequence. The original was centered around the Big Con, usually getting the villain to orchestrate his/her own downfall.

The George Clooney/Brad Pitt Ocean's 11 was closer to the original M:I series than the Cruise movies. It nearly even had the beat of the original pilot episode: the mission (vault robbery); team gathering/selection; the apartment scene (or, in this case, hotel scene) discussing how to accomplish the heist; and finally, the complication of the heist and how it nearly goes wrong.
It's been a long time sense I've seen any of the MI movies, but the third's Vatican sequence I recall reminded me a lot of the first movie's server room sequence.
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Old February 12 2010, 06:33 PM   #27
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Except the server room thing was basically Cruise being the sole hero. M:I is supposed to be about the team (although there were a couple of first season episodes that were just Landau or just Landau and Bain).
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Except the server room thing was basically Cruise being the sole hero. M:I is supposed to be about the team (although there were a couple of first season episodes that were just Landau or just Landau and Bain).
All very true. But it's been a long time since I saw the third movie, only saw it once in the theater.

I'm just so over Tom Cruise. This franchise is a dog with a sequel coming out one a decade, how about a reboot? New cast, all potraying the original characters, and doing it more in the style of the series (something else I've not seen in a very long time)?
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The first Mission: Impossible was wonderfully atmospheric if a little uneven and wooden. There wasn't much excitement, and I certainly didn't feel any danger in the proceedings, but it was still a relatively smart film. Danny Elfman's score was pretty snazzy, too.

I hated Mission: Impossible 2. It was just pure John Woo. I mean, does every film he do need to have flying doves coming out of the woodwork, especially during explosions? Does he just love to fry doves? Possibly. He might have a fetish. Someone needs to work with him on that. Even Hans Zimmer churned out a completely mediocre and listless score, and I'm typically a fan of Zimmer.

J.J. Abrams' Mission: Impossible III was definitely the best. It was the only film besides the first film to an extent to really capture the team dynamic (as mentioned, in the Vatican sequence) and it was an exciting and fun film all at the same time. There was jeopardy, there was stakes, and as Christopher said it was the most character-driven of all the films, which makes for a much more engaging and satisfying film. Michael Giacchino's score was great, as well.

I'm a little hesitant over the writing team for M:I-IV since their credentials are a little underwhelming. Josh Appelbaum and Andre Nemec are writing the film. They've contributed to such endeavors as the TV show October Road and Life on Mars, both shows I found lackluster. They joined Alias during the final three years, which a lot complain are the show's worst. They're also masterminding the TV show Happy Town which Televisionary deemed "ridiculous and insipid".

However, J.J. Abrams and Tom Cruise are involved and like I said I consider Mission: Impossible III to be the best in the series so I have relatively high hopes. I hope Michael Giacchino returns to compose the score once more.
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Old February 12 2010, 07:31 PM   #30
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This franchise is a dog with a sequel coming out one a decade, how about a reboot? New cast, all potraying the original characters, and doing it more in the style of the series (something else I've not seen in a very long time)?
I would like to see a reboot more in the vein of the series. What I think would be an interesting approach would be to capitalize on the potential in the familiar opening catchphrases. Consider: A man goes to a secret drop and gets a recorded message telling him about a dangerous situation that can't be dealt with by conventional means. It's described as "Your mission, should you choose to accept it" -- meaning it's a volunteer mission. According to a line spoken only in the pilot episode, the man is given carte blanche as to team composition and methods. If any of his team are caught or killed, the Secretary (probably of Defense) will disavow any knowledge of their actions.

After accepting this assignment, the man goes to his home and selects a team consisting, not of career agents, but of professionals from ordinary life who have the necessary skills for the particular mission -- an engineer, a master of disguise, a strongman, maybe a safecracker or a man with an eidetic memory or a high-wire walker as needed. These people are also volunteers. They meet in the man's apartment to plan their mission.

Does this sound like a major spy operation? No. It sounds like an off-the-books, deniable mission, something the government is staying as far away from as possible. It's basically a con game with implicit but unofficial government backing. These people are doing things that are technically illegal and unauthorized, and they're on their own if they get caught. It's possible that the Secretary and the guy on the tape are the only ones who actually know about the team and their missions.

At least, that's the impression I had at the start. The show didn't really follow this pattern, since there were plenty of episodes where the team was working with official support and had access to any government resources they needed. It wasn't so much that they were operating sub rosa as that they were able to do things by unconventional means and solve problems that nobody else could solve. But if that was so, why even bother with the secret message drop? Why the implied volunteer nature of the missions and the threat of disavowal? There's a lot of potential in that opening voiceover that I don't think has ever really been explored.

The movies to date have treated the IMF as a massive government organization, even a sub-branch of the CIA itself. That's kind of a logical progression from the original series (where they increasingly had all the government support they needed) and the '88 revival series (which postulated a larger IMF organization with multiple teams). But I'm intrigued by the idea of the IMF as just one guy, perhaps a retired CIA agent who still unofficially does favors for the Secretary, running a sort of garage-band spy operation out of his apartment, recruiting civilian friends and colleagues to help him out on extremely off-book missions that are too sensitive or too illegal for the government to undertake officially. That's what I'd like to see in an M:I reboot.
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