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Old February 9 2010, 12:01 AM   #106
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*Deep breath and I apologise for hogging the thread...

Okay, I promise this is my last word. For what it's worth, I generally find your posts agreeable and informed (especially in the Dr Who forum) and I say so in all sincerity, not to be patronising.
I appreciate the kind words. To be completely honest I can see how I came across as being a little unreasonable. Please accept my apologies for any lack of civility I may have displayed.

And it was speculation on my part that you may have believed that Farrell was a Brit. But a few days ago in the Treklit forum, I posted in jest about how believable Sean Connery, Mickey Rooney and John Wayne were as Asians in You Only Live Twice, Breakfast at Tiffany's and Ghengis Khan and two people thought I was serious. So, ... well you never know on the BBS, okay?!
Framed in that context, it's certainly excusable.

Okay, I missed the jest part. My bad.
No harm, no foul.

I don't intend to amend the Wikipedia entry (I'm not registered in Wikipedia) but I think that that website is well know for not being 100% reliable and I'd say that this is another example.
Fair points. Two counters: First, as I understand it, no need to register at Wikipedia in order to edit most page. Anonymous edits are possible. Second, studies have shown that Wikipedia is in general at least as accurate as the most widely regarded print encyclopedias, especially in the areas of science, mathematics, and history. I would never recommend to anyone that Wikipedia be taken as gospel truth or as a primary source in any kind of serious research or anything, but as a starting point in a casual discussion/argument, I've found Wikipedia to generally be more than accurate enough to count, especially on the really high quality articles with lots of referenced sources.

All I can say is that the majority of people in Ireland do not use or subscribe to the term British Isles in relation to our island.
I agree with this, and I have all along. My only point is that the rest of the world does not share that opinion. Am I wrong? It's quite possible, but I think I can access enough current (not outdated) subject matter to back my claim. It's not unusual for there to be differences in semantics in different countries, even in academic areas. This is nothing unusual to me. Sorry if I seemed to make such a major case out of it.

I think as the subject of the discussion we're entitled to a deciding vote on it. If you don't agree - well, fine. Nothing I can do about it. But I think you should be a little less dismissive and flippant of the view from the thick of it, so to speak.
Well, sure, you guys are most certainly allowed to decide what you guy want to call yourselves and your island. That doesn't mean that the rest of the world is bound to follow suit. As an example, I believe that a certain South American country does not ever call South America by that name, but by another. I'd heard of this before way back in school but it's been a long time so I'd have to look it up again. However, in the rest of the world, South America is South America.

The 'shuffle off' bit wasn't really helpful.
Agreed. That was uncalled for. My apologies.

At any rate, sorry that this whole thing dragged out so much. I really did just make my initial comment to be cheeky, and not at all to stir up anything. But as I often do, I got carried away with the (very minor) crapstorm that developed.

I'm cool if you're cool.
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Old February 9 2010, 12:16 AM   #107
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^ Cool as ice mate. Let's move on and wait for the inevitable shitstorm when they cast Captain America ...
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Old February 9 2010, 12:20 AM   #108
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Yes, indeed. I bet it'll be Don Cheadle.
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Old February 9 2010, 12:22 AM   #109
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^ And he'll be replaced by Terrance Howard for the sequel.
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Old February 9 2010, 12:56 AM   #110
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Nice twist!
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Old February 9 2010, 01:41 AM   #111
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Some additional info on what to expect from Johnston
- Chuck" co-star Ryan McPartlin confirmed to Moviehole he tested for the film
Awesome.
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while a rumor at Big Shiny Robot suggested One Tree Hill star Chad Michael Murray tested for the role.
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Old February 9 2010, 02:07 AM   #112
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Jeebus Cripes look at what I started! Almost damn near started an international incident. Haha
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Old February 9 2010, 05:40 AM   #113
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Jeebus Cripes look at what I started! Almost damn near started an international incident. Haha
And for no frakkin' reason since apparently it's going to go to an American actor anyway.

Which I think is unnecessary - 99% of the audience doesn't know or care where any actor comes from, just get the accent right - and I'm not liking the talk about getting a total unknown because McPartlin is so perfect for the part!
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Old February 9 2010, 05:52 AM   #114
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Jeebus Cripes look at what I started! Almost damn near started an international incident. Haha
And for no frakkin' reason since apparently it's going to go to an American actor anyway.

Which I think is unnecessary -
... but desirable. It would be too embarrassing if it got out that a dialect coach was needed for the lead actor.
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Old February 9 2010, 05:56 AM   #115
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Any actor who wanted to be taken seriously for the role would already have honed his accent to perfection before he showed up for the audition. It's not the producers' job to ensure actors have the qualifications for the job, and they don't have to - there's plenty more actors in the waiting room - an "unknown" had better not show up with any deficiencies in such a competitive field. Karl Urban managed to pull off not just an American accent but a very specific variety of a regional accent - McCoy's mild Georgia lilt. If he couldn't do that, he wouldn't have gotten the job (or I sure hope he wouldn't have).
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Old February 9 2010, 06:07 AM   #116
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Any actor who wanted to be taken seriously for the role would already have honed his accent to perfection before he showed up for the audition.
We would hope so, but lots of weak American accents continue to get a pass in TV shows and movies.

This article grades a bunch of actors who have attempted to speak "American," with varying degrees of success:

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/200...vision_is.html
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Old February 9 2010, 07:23 AM   #117
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Any actor who wanted to be taken seriously for the role would already have honed his accent to perfection before he showed up for the audition.
We would hope so, but lots of weak American accents continue to get a pass in TV shows and movies.

This article grades a bunch of actors who have attempted to speak "American," with varying degrees of success:

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/200...vision_is.html
BY giving Hugh Laurie an A+ they lost me. Though the first comment nails why Laurie is both right and wrong:
Clio on Bostonglobe.com wrote:
Hugh Laurie's situation fascinates me - he actually doesn't do a great US accent, his vowels are often all over the place. He does what Rachel Griffiths does (and what Matthew Rhys has picked up from her), front loads on the consonants with B-movie hardboiled focus in the hopes that no one notices their o's and a's are out of whack. The brilliance of Laurie is that he's turned his limitation into another aspect of his characterization. Of course House talks crabby in a way no other American talks crabby - that's totally in line with his contrarian self.
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Old February 9 2010, 03:44 PM   #118
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Jeebus Cripes look at what I started! Almost damn near started an international incident. Haha
And for no frakkin' reason since apparently it's going to go to an American actor anyway.
I can see where having an unknown helps sell the movie as a Captain America movie vs "Tom Cruise" as Captain America or whoever's next big role. Even before Depp was Sparrow and RDJ Iron Man they were niche actors, not marquee in the sense studios wanted them for tentpole projects.

Are there any 'known' actors that might fit a similar bill and be right for Steve/Cap? Last time a relative unknown was cast as a big name superhero it didn't pan out for that Brandon Routh guy.
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I agree with this, and I have all along. My only point is that the rest of the world does not share that opinion. Am I wrong? It's quite possible, but I think I can access enough current (not outdated) subject matter to back my claim. It's not unusual for there to be differences in semantics in different countries, even in academic areas. This is nothing unusual to me. Sorry if I seemed to make such a major case out of it.
So does a majority belief in something make it true or real?
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Yes, indeed. I bet it'll be Don Cheadle.
I myself am hoping for Eddie Izzard.
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