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Old March 8 2010, 09:16 PM   #811
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I was so disappointed by "The Geometry of Shadows" because it had a title that made it sound like there would be Important Happenings, but alas, it was not to be.
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Old March 8 2010, 09:26 PM   #812
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Sorry, but this is just one of those things I find too silly to take seriously.
To a certain extent I think JMS wants basically to put fantasy tropes into his sci-fi show. In essence, he wants wizards, so he inserts 'techno' to the start of mages so he can have his elder prophetic people making grand sweeping statements. They're really of a part and parcel with his Holy Grail searcher from the first season in terms of tone; and it's a consistent idea that will continue to emerge.

That said, I thought Michael Ansara really sold the role. But then, damn, I just love that guy's voice. And who doesn't?

As for the b-plot, I loved the simplicity of the greens and purples killing one another for such a silly reason. Well, it's silly to me, I'm sure it makes sense to them.
Yeah, this is one of the comic plots from B5 I absolutely love. I do feel the series is hit and miss on the subject (even when limited to the field of 'aliens do weird things') but the Green/Purple scenario is one of the funniest things in the series run.
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Old March 8 2010, 09:39 PM   #813
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Disagree on that spoiler tag claim. I liked the guy.
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Old March 8 2010, 09:41 PM   #814
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I don't hate him (just generally dislike him), but don't you want to punch him just once? He has that sort of attitude.
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Old March 8 2010, 10:35 PM   #815
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A bit of trivia regarding "Geometry of Shadows"...originally Ivanova was supposed to get herself out of trouble but she really did break her foot just before shooting was to begin which required a quick re-write.

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Old March 8 2010, 11:01 PM   #816
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I don't hate him (just generally dislike him), but don't you want to punch him just once? He has that sort of attitude.
No, never; he was awesome.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:10 PM   #817
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I was so disappointed by "The Geometry of Shadows" because it had a title that made it sound like there would be Important Happenings, but alas, it was not to be.
Again, this is an artifact of knowing spoilers about the show before watching it. To a newbie who's never read any spoilers, at this point in the series, there's no reason to think the word "shadow" is of any significance.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:13 PM   #818
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I was so disappointed by "The Geometry of Shadows" because it had a title that made it sound like there would be Important Happenings, but alas, it was not to be.
Again, this is an artifact of knowing spoilers about the show before watching it. To a newbie who's never read any spoilers, at this point in the series, there's no reason to think the word "shadow" is of any significance.
Even if you don't know anything about The Shadows, the title of that episode does make it seem like it would be kind of awesome.

It's one thing that early B5 did that bothered me. Some of the lamer episodes have really intriguing titles.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:13 PM   #819
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I was so disappointed by "The Geometry of Shadows" because it had a title that made it sound like there would be Important Happenings, but alas, it was not to be.
Again, this is an artifact of knowing spoilers about the show before watching it. To a newbie who's never read any spoilers, at this point in the series, there's no reason to think the word "shadow" is of any significance.

Agreed. That's one thing which has bothered me about these reviews. Paraphrasing, we see a lot of "... which was supposed to be some big surprise, but I know what's coming, so it really fell flat..."

You can't blame the show for your spoiler knowledge.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:16 PM   #820
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Even if you don't know anything about The Shadows, the title of that episode does make it seem like it would be kind of awesome.

It's one thing that early B5 did that bothered me. Some of the lamer episodes have really intriguing titles.
The title didn't tell me it was supposed to be awesome. It just told me that the creators of the show are literary and have a bent for language.

It said nothing to me about "the" Shadows, nor did it make me expect to see them featured. I took it to be about the technomages. How they use technology (geometry) to create "magic" (shadows).
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Old March 8 2010, 11:18 PM   #821
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I was so disappointed by "The Geometry of Shadows" because it had a title that made it sound like there would be Important Happenings, but alas, it was not to be.
Again, this is an artifact of knowing spoilers about the show before watching it. To a newbie who's never read any spoilers, at this point in the series, there's no reason to think the word "shadow" is of any significance.
Unless you've seen Signs and Portents.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:19 PM   #822
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Again, this is an artifact of knowing spoilers about the show before watching it. To a newbie who's never read any spoilers, at this point in the series, there's no reason to think the word "shadow" is of any significance.
We-ell.

Last year "Signs and Portents" had a character die who said it had been prophecied by his aunt that he'd be killed by shadows; and JMS was already using the term 'Shadowmen' in internet conversations at this point.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:19 PM   #823
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Even if you don't know anything about The Shadows, the title of that episode does make it seem like it would be kind of awesome.

It's one thing that early B5 did that bothered me. Some of the lamer episodes have really intriguing titles.
The title didn't tell me it was supposed to be awesome. It just told me that the creators of the show are literary and have a bent for language.

It said nothing to me about "the" Shadows, nor did it make me expect to see them featured. I took it to be about the technomages. How they use technology (geometry) to create magic (shadows).
It didn't tell me anything about The Shadows either. But I do remember thinking it was a neat title, and I was expecting something neat from it.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:21 PM   #824
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Last year "Signs and Portents" had a character die who said it had been prophecied by his aunt that he'd be killed by shadows; and JMS was already using the term 'Shadowmen' in internet conversations at this point.
Frankly, I thought the aliens in "Signs and Portents" could have been one-offs, like


And internet conversations by JMS? Again, we shouldn't blame the show for our own spoiler knowledge.
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Old March 8 2010, 11:30 PM   #825
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I think I saw or read a statement by JMS somewhere that the seed of the idea for the Techno-mages came from that old Arthur C. Clarke quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

If they're not to your taste, fret not. They won't been seen again for quite a while. Though it was never said onscreen (though it would've been had Crusade not been cancelled) their origins and history fit right in to the show's mythos so they're not as incongruous as they might first appear.

And internet conversations by JMS? Again, we shouldn't blame the show for our own spoiler knowledge.
I have to say, when the show was first aired, I personally didn't have an internet connection, neither I imagine did a lot of people.
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