Mass Effect 2 - Page 34

firehawk12 · February 21 2010, 08:34 PM

I guess it just doesn't make sense to create a consistent language and then have an actor record all those lines convincingly.

Too bad though, because if there's one place where it would be more practical, it would be in games.

Deks · February 21 2010, 09:00 PM

Well, KOTOR was bad in this retrospect because it only had a few words of 'alien' language that ALL aliens spoke.
It was repetitive and got tired after a while.

they just have to introduce much more variety and create a distinctly different language for each race (there's only a few of them in ME to begin with ... or at least few individuals you will be speaking with directly).

As it is though ... majority of alien races in ME behave exactly like Humans.
The language and swearing makes it look like Humanity indoctrinated everyone to the level of low-earth trash.

Their behaviour in terms of being actually 'alien' is not really present.

OdoWanKenobi · February 21 2010, 11:52 PM

Reverend wrote:

I think one of the few TV shows that got it consistently right was B5, where you had aliens that had to actually learn English or use clunky, creepy sounding translators that did nothing for lip sync.

That doesn't explain why aliens consistently spoke English on their home planets when there were no humans around.

We just have to accept that this is one of those things necessary for proper story-telling. If they have to come up with a conceit such as universal translators, then so be it.

Reverend · February 22 2010, 01:59 AM

I think it's a given that in those instances they were actually speaking their own languages. It's just a TV show after all and nobody expects them to do whole episodes with subtitles. The trick with the consistency is that whenever humans are around, when you hear aliens speaking English, they're really speaking English. No humans, then their probably not speaking English.

The same type of logic applies to the old "sound in space" conceit. When the perspective is inside a ship with the characters, then they can't hear the explosions, weapons fire or engine noise that isn't coming from their own ship. When the perspective is outside then there's sound. It's just dramatic licence, like gunshots that sound several orders of magnitude more powerful than they should, or punches that sound nothing like the dull thud of knuckles connecting with mean and bone.

Hermiod · February 22 2010, 08:14 AM

Took everyone's advice.

OdoWanKenobi · February 22 2010, 08:27 AM

Hermiod wrote:

Took everyone's advice.

Hermiod · February 22 2010, 08:32 AM

OdoWanKenobi wrote:

Hermiod wrote:

Took everyone's advice.

Angel4576 · February 22 2010, 08:42 AM

On my second playthrough I saved everyone by going as follows;

3rd playthrough now as Renegade Adept FemShep. Loads of fun!

Hermiod · February 22 2010, 08:46 AM

^

Saquist · February 22 2010, 04:06 PM

Is there a way to take screen shots on XBOX 360 other than pointing a camera at the screen?

ATimson · February 22 2010, 04:23 PM

Saquist wrote:

Is there a way to take screen shots on XBOX 360 other than pointing a camera at the screen?

Connect the video output to a video in on a computer, perhaps.

Base_Delta_Zero · February 22 2010, 06:46 PM

Hermiod wrote:

^

The Mordin thing isn't a glitch, he just has a randomized chance, no matter where he goes, what he does or who he's with - in addition to the general odds the others work with.

I don't really have a problem with it, I just wish that all of the squadmates had it. Doing everything right shouldn't ensure everyone survives the "suicide mission". Real life doesn't work that way.

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Hermiod · February 22 2010, 06:50 PM

^I would find it very surprising if, after getting everyone loyal, spending ages finding enough materials to upgrade the ship thoroughly and picking the right person for every job, one of my team just died randomly - especially when (as much as I hate the bloody things) there's an achievement for keeping them all alive.

I'm their leader, it's my job to bring them all home safe, I would feel that I hadn't done my job if one of them died.

Base_Delta_Zero · February 22 2010, 06:56 PM

And that would be a valid reaction ... just like in real life. You think the guys in Afghanistan and Iraq don't want the No One Left Behind achievement?

Realistically, it shouldn't be possible to succeed in the mission WITHOUT losing at least half your team and most for bullshit reasons like the valves jam and the tunnel rat gets fucked no matter how fast you are, not hold the line "ra ra ra" actions after rousing speeches. It would certainly be more dramatic.

In ME1, my Renegade FemShep sacrificed Kaiden because he was with Kirahee on the distraction team. He was her love interest. That was a tough choice. Save the romance or secure the nuke? Granted, my FemShep wanted to romance Ashley and had to settle for best friends, but still, there was no way to save everyone.

ME2 should have done something similar, I think. Each team that was diverted should have had a chance to be overrun, isolated and left behind, captured and turned or something, above and beyond whether they were loyal and appropriate to the task.

Don't get me wrong, the end was fun and cool and all, but it could have been better.

Hermiod · February 22 2010, 07:01 PM

^It's entirely possible for that to happen, and it's your fault when it does.

It was hard enough choosing between Ashley and Kaiden in the last game and trying to convince Wrex to stand down (unfortunately, Ashley shot him).

February 21 2010, 08:34 PM	#496
firehawk12 Fleet Admiral Location: EXILE + ATTON = GUUUUUUSH!!!! (pic by aimo)	Re: Mass Effect 2 I guess it just doesn't make sense to create a consistent language and then have an actor record all those lines convincingly. Too bad though, because if there's one place where it would be more practical, it would be in games. __________________ The best reason to watch Curling: Johnson Sisters! "How do you trust a nation that's invented Karate? They're standing there in their pajamas... then they kick you in the balls!"

February 21 2010, 09:00 PM	#497
Deks Rear Admiral	Re: Mass Effect 2 Well, KOTOR was bad in this retrospect because it only had a few words of 'alien' language that ALL aliens spoke. It was repetitive and got tired after a while. they just have to introduce much more variety and create a distinctly different language for each race (there's only a few of them in ME to begin with ... or at least few individuals you will be speaking with directly). As it is though ... majority of alien races in ME behave exactly like Humans. The language and swearing makes it look like Humanity indoctrinated everyone to the level of low-earth trash. Their behaviour in terms of being actually 'alien' is not really present. __________________ We are who we choose to be but also have predefined aspects of our personalities we are born with, and make art that defines us.

February 22 2010, 01:59 AM	#499
Reverend Rear Admiral Location: UK	Re: Mass Effect 2 I think it's a given that in those instances they were actually speaking their own languages. It's just a TV show after all and nobody expects them to do whole episodes with subtitles. The trick with the consistency is that whenever humans are around, when you hear aliens speaking English, they're really speaking English. No humans, then their probably not speaking English. The same type of logic applies to the old "sound in space" conceit. When the perspective is inside a ship with the characters, then they can't hear the explosions, weapons fire or engine noise that isn't coming from their own ship. When the perspective is outside then there's sound. It's just dramatic licence, like gunshots that sound several orders of magnitude more powerful than they should, or punches that sound nothing like the dull thud of knuckles connecting with mean and bone. __________________ Star Trek Logos - Dark Knight Adventures - DeviantArt

February 22 2010, 08:14 AM	#500
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Mass Effect 2 Took everyone's advice. Saved everyone and handed the base over to Cerberus. My picks were: Technician: Tali Fire Team Leader #1: Garrus Biotic Shield: Jack Escort: Mordin Fire Team Leader #2: Garrus again Final Team: Tali and Jack I picked Tali and Jack because I read a guide that suggested you should bring use the weakest defenders for the Escort and in your final team. That meant getting Mordin out of harms' way and making sure that Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed were around to hold off the Collectors.

February 22 2010, 08:42 AM	#503
Angel4576 Rear Admiral Location: United Kingdom	Re: Mass Effect 2 On my second playthrough I saved everyone by going as follows; Shafts - Legion 1st Fire Team - Garrus Biotic - Samara 2nd Fire Team - Garrus Escort - Tali Final Team - Miranda & Samara Mordin stayed with the group holding the Collectors back but survived. I think as long as anyone's loyal in that group then they'll survive. 3rd playthrough now as Renegade Adept FemShep. Loads of fun! __________________ I am a Ranger. We walk in the dark places no others will enter. We stand on the bridge and no one may pass. We live for the One, we die for the One.

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February 22 2010, 08:46 AM	#504
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Mass Effect 2 ^ Maybe this has been patched or something, but supposedly there was an issue where Mordin could randomly die even if loyal if he tries to hold the line with the others at the end. I had everybody loyal, but I didn't want to risk it so I got him out of the way. If you choose to side with Morinth rather than Samara in Samara's loyalty mission and thus she joins your team, you can pursue her as a romantic interest. You can finally sleep with her after the end credits but she kills you!

February 22 2010, 04:06 PM	#505
Saquist Commodore Location: Starbase Houston	Re: Mass Effect 2 Is there a way to take screen shots on XBOX 360 other than pointing a camera at the screen?

February 22 2010, 06:50 PM	#508
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Mass Effect 2 ^I would find it very surprising if, after getting everyone loyal, spending ages finding enough materials to upgrade the ship thoroughly and picking the right person for every job, one of my team just died randomly - especially when (as much as I hate the bloody things) there's an achievement for keeping them all alive. I'm their leader, it's my job to bring them all home safe, I would feel that I hadn't done my job if one of them died.

February 22 2010, 06:56 PM	#509
Base_Delta_Zero Commodore Location: Maine	Re: Mass Effect 2 And that would be a valid reaction ... just like in real life. You think the guys in Afghanistan and Iraq don't want the No One Left Behind achievement? Realistically, it shouldn't be possible to succeed in the mission WITHOUT losing at least half your team and most for bullshit reasons like the valves jam and the tunnel rat gets fucked no matter how fast you are, not hold the line "ra ra ra" actions after rousing speeches. It would certainly be more dramatic. In ME1, my Renegade FemShep sacrificed Kaiden because he was with Kirahee on the distraction team. He was her love interest. That was a tough choice. Save the romance or secure the nuke? Granted, my FemShep wanted to romance Ashley and had to settle for best friends, but still, there was no way to save everyone. ME2 should have done something similar, I think. Each team that was diverted should have had a chance to be overrun, isolated and left behind, captured and turned or something, above and beyond whether they were loyal and appropriate to the task. Don't get me wrong, the end was fun and cool and all, but it could have been better. Last edited by Base_Delta_Zero; February 22 2010 at 07:07 PM.

February 22 2010, 07:01 PM	#510
Hermiod Admiral	Re: Mass Effect 2 ^It's entirely possible for that to happen, and it's your fault when it does. It was hard enough choosing between Ashley and Kaiden in the last game and trying to convince Wrex to stand down (unfortunately, Ashley shot him).