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Old March 12 2014, 07:38 PM   #1
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Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

In the TOS episode, "A Taste of Armageddon", Kirk orders Scotty to execute Star Fleet General Order 24 (which is to destroy all life on a planet) against Eminiar VII unless the ruling council releases their hostages (which was the whole landing party).

This always struck me as an extreme response but it was also one of the things I loved about TOS's take no prisoners approach to diplomacy.

Do you think this General Order survived to the 24th century or did it remain in the past as part of Kirk-era cowboy diplomacy?

I imagine Picard would be aghast that an order like this even existed - let alone as a General Order. I wonder what situation in Star Fleet history necessitated the creation of such an order?

Memory Alpha says -

General Order 24: An order to destroy all life on an entire planet. This order has been given by Captain Garth (Antos IV) and Captain Kirk (Eminiar VII). On neither occasion was the order actually fulfilled. (TOS: "Whom Gods Destroy", "A Taste of Armageddon")
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Old March 12 2014, 08:00 PM   #2
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

Personally, I think GO-24 was a pre-arranged bluff between Kirk and his senior officers.




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Old March 12 2014, 08:17 PM   #3
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

I do wish Starfleet had a more militaristic approach in the 24th century that included glassing planets. Though it still may be part of their general orders in that the Prime Directive seemed to evolve into an order to let everyone die because it is their "cosmic fate."
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Old March 13 2014, 12:31 AM   #4
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

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I do wish Starfleet had a more militaristic approach in the 24th century that included glassing planets. Though it still may be part of their general orders in that the Prime Directive seemed to evolve into an order to let everyone die because it is their "cosmic fate."
Maybe by the 24th century General Order 24 only applies to pre-Warp planets who have accidentally seen 24th century technology. Better off dead according to Picard's philosophy.

But seriously General Order 24 seemed a bit of overkill so to speak in "A Taste of Armageddon". Wiping out a city or two would have got the message across. I tend to think of it as a sort of bluff as TGirl said. I think Kirk/Scotty would have had to speak to Starfleet first and Spock would have to verify before it would actually happen.

However in the TOS days, sometimes the Enterprise was the only sherrif in town and she had to keep order...

I think General Order 24 might always exist for those rare cases like Talos and Deneva no matter what century you're in.
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Old March 13 2014, 12:56 AM   #5
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

No way to ever know. The 24th century is gone...
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Old March 13 2014, 01:00 AM   #6
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

For whatever it's worth, the novel A Time to Kill established that the Eminiar Amendment to the Federation Charter had banned the destruction of a planet (and by default rescinded General Order 24) by the time of TNG.
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Old March 13 2014, 01:21 AM   #7
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

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No way to ever know. The 24th century is gone...
I don't know what this means.
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Old March 13 2014, 01:37 AM   #8
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

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No way to ever know. The 24th century is gone...
I don't know what this means.
I'm pretty sure it's a dig at JJ-Trek.
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Old March 13 2014, 01:42 AM   #9
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I'm pretty sure it's a dig at JJ-Trek.
And one that makes no sense. Alternate histories don't vanish. They exist in parallel alongside the new continuity. But I digress...
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Old March 13 2014, 02:39 AM   #10
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

...is this a good time for a lens flare?
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Old March 13 2014, 02:59 AM   #11
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

T'Girl wrote: View Post
Personally, I think GO-24 was a pre-arranged bluff between Kirk and his senior officers.
I find this very likely. IMHO, there is no way in hell that Starfleet would ever actually destroy a planet like that. They simply don't stoop that low. That's genocide, and the Federation is above that.
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Old March 13 2014, 03:14 AM   #12
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

Clark Terrell wrote: View Post
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No way to ever know. The 24th century is gone...
I don't know what this means.
What it means is that the 24th century's yesterday. You can care all you want. Everybody does - yeah, that's okay.
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Old March 13 2014, 03:18 AM   #13
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

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Personally, I think GO-24 was a pre-arranged bluff between Kirk and his senior officers.
I find this very likely. IMHO, there is no way in hell that Starfleet would ever actually destroy a planet like that. They simply don't stoop that low. That's genocide, and the Federation is above that.
They also live in a universe with mad energy beings, ancient psycho androids, and other dangerous stuff that they don't always come to an understanding with.

So having a general order to cover their asses in a possible situation where they have to fry an entire planet to keep all life in the galaxy safe from horrible death doesn't seem so far fetched.
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Old March 13 2014, 03:22 AM   #14
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I find this very likely. IMHO, there is no way in hell that Starfleet would ever actually destroy a planet like that. They simply don't stoop that low. That's genocide, and the Federation is above that.
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Old March 13 2014, 03:35 AM   #15
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Re: Does General Order 24 exist in TNG?

T'Girl wrote: View Post
Personally, I think GO-24 was a pre-arranged bluff between Kirk and his senior officers.




I read about a deleted scene on the bridge where McCoy presses Scotty over whether or not he will actually follow through with GO-24 if the Eminians don't release the landing party. If I recall correctly, Scotty wasn't exactly happy about the prospect of wiping out Eminiar Seven, but he was prepared to carry out Kirk's order nonetheless.
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