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Old January 20 2010, 09:20 PM   #1
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UN Panel "Regrets" Exaggeration of Himalayan Thaw

Yet another IPCC cockup. Link and snippet follow:

Leaders of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "regret the poor application of well-established IPCC procedures in this instance," they said in a statement on the flaw in a paragraph of a 938-page scientific report.
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Old January 20 2010, 10:38 PM   #2
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Oh, great. This is going to give the climate-change deniers something else they can distort as an excuse for doing nothing. Whether the time frame was exaggerated or not, that doesn't mean the process isn't happening and isn't dangerous. Given the stakes, after all, it hardly seems wrong to err on the side of caution. Better to exaggerate the risks and take more protective action than you need than to understate or ignore the risks and take too little action.
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Old January 20 2010, 11:52 PM   #3
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The IPCC and a number of CRU's did fudge data. Unfortunately when you fudge data, you lose your credibility regardless of what your intentions were.
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Old January 21 2010, 12:48 AM   #4
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Better to exaggerate the risks...
No, exaggerating risks makes people not pay attention to you, it is the worse thing you can do for anything you want to get serious attention.
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Old January 21 2010, 02:31 AM   #5
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Old January 21 2010, 05:20 AM   #6
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The IPCC and a number of CRU's did fudge data. Unfortunately when you fudge data, you lose your credibility regardless of what your intentions were.
There is still however a shitload of data out there supporting the issue of the climate change.

Groups the the CRU and IPCC are faced with a big problem - funding to do their research properly.

There was a post recently (unfortunately I think it was in TNZ) showing donations and funding for pro and anti-AGW groups.

The pro-side got some government money but for the period referred to it was about $US2.7mil.

For the same period anti-groups got in the vicinity of $US26mil though the was a caveat that some of those supporting the anti-argument did lobby in some related areas so it was hard to 100% quantify their donations to anti-AGW groups.
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Old January 21 2010, 01:35 PM   #7
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8470962.stm

Who'd a thunk it was a "model"? Looks nothing like Naomi Campbell.

Looks like the temptation to "sex up" the results got the better of some people. The tarnish spreads by association.
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Old January 21 2010, 02:40 PM   #8
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Re: UN Panel "Regrets" Exaggeration of Himalayan Thaw

So can anyone refute that climate change is occurring?
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Old January 21 2010, 03:22 PM   #9
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Climate change occurs constantly. Its what happens to planets.
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Old January 21 2010, 03:27 PM   #10
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Oh, great. This is going to give the climate-change deniers something else they can distort as an excuse for doing nothing. Whether the time frame was exaggerated or not, that doesn't mean the process isn't happening and isn't dangerous. Given the stakes, after all, it hardly seems wrong to err on the side of caution. Better to exaggerate the risks and take more protective action than you need than to understate or ignore the risks and take too little action.
It's perfectly acceptable for science to lie rather than thoroughly investigate? And you hold a PhD

Face it, manmade climate change is total BS.
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Old January 21 2010, 03:46 PM   #11
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Science doesn't lie.

Sometimes scientists do, and sometimes the science is misinterpreted, but the science itself is (by definition) factual.

There are things going on with the climate that we don't fully understand. (If there weren't, we'd have perfect weather forecasting.) The notion that humans might be contributing to those changes in an adverse manner is one means of interpreting the data. I'm sure there are others.

What I can't help wondering is, why are people so lazy as to embrace the notion that everything's a-okay? It's avoidance of responsibility----or even suspected responsibility----on a massive scale. Even if we aren't contributing to climate change, we sure as hell are contributing to urban pollution, so why not embrace "green" technologies on that basis alone? Is it just too much effort to be bothered?
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Old January 21 2010, 03:49 PM   #12
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So can anyone refute that climate change is occurring?
You mean "Can anyone confirm that changes to the climate can be attributed to human activity?"
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Old January 21 2010, 04:31 PM   #13
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Climate change is a natural Earth cycle and there's nothing we can do about it.
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Old January 21 2010, 04:57 PM   #14
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What I can't help wondering is, why are people so lazy as to embrace the notion that everything's a-okay? It's avoidance of responsibility----or even suspected responsibility----on a massive scale. Even if we aren't contributing to climate change, we sure as hell are contributing to urban pollution, so why not embrace "green" technologies on that basis alone? Is it just too much effort to be bothered?
The world isn't run by honest scientists, it's run by billionaires who have their fortunes to protect -- for about as long as they will live -- which is perhaps as far into the future as caring goes for them. Since climate change happens over longer time scales than one person's lifetime, it's beyond the scope of economic thinking.
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Old January 21 2010, 05:14 PM   #15
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Climate change is a natural Earth cycle and there's nothing we can do about it.
Do you realize this would imply that terraforming other planets is impossible?
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