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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old March 13 2010, 08:26 PM   #1
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What if the Enterprise C never left the altered timeline?

Just watched 'Yesterdays Enterprise' episode and was wondering if the outcome of this episode was different how would it affect the timeline?

If... The Enterprise C was unable to re-enter the rift and remained in that timeline and the Federation eventually surrendered to the Klingons, what would happen to the federation itself and its citizens?

What would you do if you were Picard, would you take the Enterprise and flee from Klingon occupied space gather whats left of the fleet and roam space and leave the Federation behind?

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Old March 13 2010, 09:54 PM   #2
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

Go where? They would encounter races as dangerous as the Klingons in that timeline, or worse.
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Old March 14 2010, 02:41 AM   #3
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

I'd imagine it would be various colony and transport ships that would venture into deep space and attempt to resettle elsewhere. Warships like the Enterprise would most likely fight on and do as much damage as possible to the enemy. Federation worlds would most likely live under Klingon enslavement.

Of course, there is always a chance of a great Federation victory that would push the Klingons back or something along those lines.
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Old March 14 2010, 03:39 AM   #4
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

All of this has happened before, and it will happen again.

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Old March 15 2010, 01:35 PM   #5
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Warships like the Enterprise would most likely fight on and do as much damage as possible to the enemy.
To what end? If the battle was hopeless in the sense that the Klingons would ultimately win, then any resistance would also be hopeless in the sense that it could not prevent the Klingons from continuing their aggression against those colonizers or other refugees, once they had won the war. It could make a dent in the Klingon military forces, but the dent would be meaningless in halting possible colonial slaughter, and would merely piss off the Klingons (or keep them pissed off) at the worst possible time.

What possible reason could there be for continuing the fight? What possible reason could there be for not surrendering?

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Old March 15 2010, 04:26 PM   #6
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

It would all be a moot point since in a few months after that episode there would be a Borg invasion anyway, so it's probably wouldn't make any difference who wins the war.
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Old March 15 2010, 04:43 PM   #7
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Warships like the Enterprise would most likely fight on and do as much damage as possible to the enemy.
To what end? If the battle was hopeless in the sense that the Klingons would ultimately win, then any resistance would also be hopeless in the sense that it could not prevent the Klingons from continuing their aggression against those colonizers or other refugees, once they had won the war. It could make a dent in the Klingon military forces, but the dent would be meaningless in halting possible colonial slaughter, and would merely piss off the Klingons (or keep them pissed off) at the worst possible time.

What possible reason could there be for continuing the fight? What possible reason could there be for not surrendering?

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I can't imagine any warship not continuing to fight regardless of the odds during wartime. If the Klingons approached Sol, I would hardly imagine the flagship just capitulating unless Starfleet surrendered to the Klingons. And even then, surrending might as well mean the dismantling of the Enterprise anyway.
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Old March 15 2010, 04:52 PM   #8
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

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It would all be a moot point since in a few months after that episode there would be a Borg invasion anyway, so it's probably wouldn't make any difference who wins the war.
Except in that timeline, the Enterprise would not have gone back to time to meet Cochrane and company. This prevents the events of ENT's Regeneration which prevents the mysterious attacks along the Neutral Zone up to TNG's The Neutral Zone. So it's possible the Borg wouldn't be an issue for a while in that timeline until a Klingon ship chasing a Cardassian resistance ship through the badlands in 2371 is thrown to the Delta Quadrant and forced to transverse the Delta Quadrant untiil they reach Borg space.
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Old March 15 2010, 05:27 PM   #9
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The Klingons would have assumed control over the 8000 light years or so of Federation space, and Starfleet may have been absorbed into the Klingon Defence Force. The Klingons, as obviously a warrior race, may also have attacked the Romulans, Cardassians, and other Alpha Quadrant powers, confident in the fact they defeated the Federation.

As for what Picard would do, I think he would fight. Whilst he was more diplomatic and not as militarily savvy as Sisko, I don't think it's in his nature to back down, especially if he feels not backing down is the right thing to do.
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Old March 15 2010, 05:30 PM   #10
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This episode was made before the concept of section31. I reckon they would have engineered a hideous plan to stop the war and be victorious. Just like they did with the Dominion
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Old March 17 2010, 10:59 PM   #11
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

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Except in that timeline, the Enterprise would not have gone back to time to meet Cochrane and company. This prevents the events of ENT's Regeneration which prevents the mysterious attacks along the Neutral Zone up to TNG's The Neutral Zone. So it's possible the Borg wouldn't be an issue for a while in that timeline until a Klingon ship chasing a Cardassian resistance ship through the badlands in 2371 is thrown to the Delta Quadrant and forced to transverse the Delta Quadrant untiil they reach Borg space.
Doesn't matter if that particular Enterprise-D travelled back to meet Cochrane. The dividing line between the timeline seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise" and most of the rest of the series was at Narenda III - before that, they shared a common history. So if the events of "First Contact" were predestination paradox (which I'm still not sure of, but that seems to be the dominant opinion), then the "mainline" Enterprise-E would still be in the 2063 of the timeline leading to the events of "Yesterday's Enterprise", too.

So, yeah, they'd have the Borg breathing down their necks, too.
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Old March 18 2010, 07:43 PM   #12
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I'm still not sure that the Borg invasion would be so imminent though.. In this timeline was the Enterprise ever catapaulted to J25 to meet them for the first time? (Actually I doubt they would have ever met up with Q at all if they never went to Farpoint in the first place..) That seemed to be the catalyst to them coming so soon. I have no doubt they would still eventually invade, but not as soon as a few months.
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Old March 18 2010, 11:59 PM   #13
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Re: Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

The Borg would be a distant threat in that universe for a few reasons. It's unlikely Q would've been involved with that Picard and co., and thus wouldn't have flung Enterprise 7,000 light years away to meet the Borg. Eventually, the Klingons, in control of the Alpha Quadrant, would have to deal with the Borg threat, but sometime later in the future.

I've always thought that the war between the Federation and the Klingons was preceded by a war between the Klingons and Romulans, a direct reaction to the attack on Narendra III, a war the Klingons probably won. They take over the Romulan Empire, much like in the All Good Things future, and perhaps they even allow some Romulans to serve in the Klingon defense force. Also, the Klingons would've gained access to Romulan technology and improved their own cloaking devices. Then, a stronger Klingon Empire would turn its attention to the Federation.

I also have wondered what was the status of the Cardassians and Ferengi in this bleak timeline?
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Old March 19 2010, 05:07 PM   #14
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But with no Romulans in the picture then the Federation would have been free to have cloaking technology.
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Old March 19 2010, 09:58 PM   #15
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Indeed, it would have been interesting if they did have cloaking tech available in that timeline. Not that it would have helped them much in defending the E-C though.
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