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Old January 15 2010, 06:30 PM   #1
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DOLLHOUSE 2x12-Hollow Men Grading, Discussion, SPOILERS



Episode Synopsis: DOLLHOUSE "The Hollow Men" Season 2 Episode 12 - Sacrifices are made when Echo leads her crew to Arizona to dismantle the Rossum Corporation's mainframe in the all-new "The Hollow Men" episode of DOLLHOUSE airing Friday, Jan. 15 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.

Cast:
Eliza Dushku as Echo
Tahmoh Penikett as Paul Ballard
Olivia Williams as Adelle DeWitt
Harry Lennix as Boyd Langton
Fran Kranz as Topher Brink
Enver Gjokaj as Victor
Dichen Lachman as Sierra

Guest Cast:
Amy Acker as Dr. Claire Saunders
Summer Glau as Bennett Halverson
Miracle Laurie as Madeline Costley/November

Reed Diamond as Laurence Dominic








Here we are on the eve of the final week of Dollhouse with episode 12, Hollow Men. While putting the thread together this week I noticed all the released promo pics take place in two locations. Usually the promo pics have 4-5 different shoots. It has me wondering just what all the other action is about and if they deemed it too spoilerific to release. If this episode is anything like the prior 4-6 then we should be in for another great ride.



Can't wait to check back in later. I've enjoyed the discussions in these threads every week.


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Old January 16 2010, 02:22 AM   #2
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Great shirt, Captain Craig. As far as I know, the images portray the episode, most of it taking place at Rossum HQ/The Mainframe, but you may be right on the images and spoiler. I am dreading and looking forward to this episode at the same time because for all intents and purposes, this is actually the finale, with "Epitaph Two: Return" being the coda to the season/series like "Epitaph One" was a coda to season one. Depends on how you want to view it though.

Also, I have to announce that sadly, this is the final episode where Miracle Laurie appears. (This is sourced to her twitter, so anyone that follows her already knows this).

I'm going to miss this show.
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Old January 16 2010, 03:55 AM   #3
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Got to say, Pauls line "What Did I Miss" left me and my little brother in Stitches, show has gotten great at the end.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:03 AM   #4
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Great episode, sad at the same time...confused over the dating references because things dont seem to consistent there Makes me wonder what will happen to see the future still happen, despite their attempts to save it. Am sad about Mellie, and wonder just what it was about saying Summer Glau and Reed Diamond were in the episode, they sure as hell weren't.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:04 AM   #5
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Above Average. It took a little while for me to get fully into it but it turned out great, particularly the last few minutes.

SPOILERS for those on the West Coast...






Poor Boyd. Yeah, I know he was evil but still...that last sequence with him is chilling. This was definitely Boyd episode but the rest of the cast was great too. Nice to see Viktor Topher again...his impersonation of Topher is amazing.

And we get the Epitah One future! Got to give them credit for going there.

Question...with Bennett and Mellie getting their brains blown out, does Dollhouse suffer from the "woman in the fridge" syndrome?
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Old January 16 2010, 04:10 AM   #6
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Another great episode! Great ending to the series. I really loved the twisted psychology of Boyd's true character; would have liked to have seen more of this. So... Dominic wasn't in the episode...
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Old January 16 2010, 04:22 AM   #7
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Another great episode! Great ending to the series. I really loved the twisted psychology of Boyd's true character; would have liked to have seen more of this. So... Dominic wasn't in the episode...
Sorry about that, I really thought he was, the Wiki posts the cast list as given by the Fox press release, and it apparently had his name on it.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:23 AM   #8
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Another great episode! Great ending to the series. I really loved the twisted psychology of Boyd's true character; would have liked to have seen more of this. So... Dominic wasn't in the episode...
I'm guessing that E2 will have more flashbacks, and that everyone will go back to the Dollhouse and try to continue business as usual, up until the actual thoughtpocolypse, which is when the E1 flashbacks we haven't gotten to yet (including Dominic's release) would've happened. It may have been Whedon's way of having his cake and eating it, too. Defeat Rossum in the season 2 finale, but show that they couldn't put the genie back into the bottle. That way, if the show ended now, there'd be closure on all the major plot points and characters, but if it was by some miracle renewed, they would still be able to play out their running plot.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:27 AM   #9
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Another great episode! Great ending to the series. I really loved the twisted psychology of Boyd's true character; would have liked to have seen more of this. So... Dominic wasn't in the episode...
I'm guessing that E2 will have more flashbacks, and that everyone will go back to the Dollhouse and try to continue business as usual, up until the actual thoughtpocolypse, which is when the E1 flashbacks we haven't gotten to yet (including Dominic's release) would've happened. It may have been Whedon's way of having his cake and eating it, too. Defeat Rossum in the season 2 finale, but show that they couldn't put the genie back into the bottle. That way, if the show ended now, there'd be closure on all the major plot points and characters, but if it was by some miracle renewed, they would still be able to play out their running plot.
Knowing the way he works, this was probably his plan all along, and going back to "business as usual" isn't something I had thought of before, and totally explains the flashbacks clearly taking place between 2010 and 2019/20, good thoughts.

Anyone else think Amy Acker was amazingly awesome in this episode? Looked pretty damn good in that suit, to.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:30 AM   #10
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Amy Acker rocked that suit, agreed.

It may have been Whedon's way of having his cake and eating it, too. Defeat Rossum in the season 2 finale, but show that they couldn't put the genie back into the bottle.
Kind of like in Terminator. You could destory Skynet, destroy the data but you can't destroy human advancement. Someone will always be along to build another and so on.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:37 AM   #11
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I think deWitt might be almost as insane as Boyd was, given how she's snapped in recent weeks. Her extremely dry reaction to a bunch of people getting shot in the head in her office, for one, and then the fact that after being kidnapped, betrayed, held hostage, and jailbroken tonight, she still became audibly aroused when Anthony/Victor mentioned that he was "enhanced."

I suppose it's better than her being drunk all the time, though.
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Old January 16 2010, 04:44 AM   #12
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I think deWitt might be almost as insane as Boyd was, given how she's snapped in recent weeks. Her extremely dry reaction to a bunch of people getting shot in the head in her office, for one, and then the fact that after being kidnapped, betrayed, held hostage, and jailbroken tonight, she still became audibly aroused when Anthony/Victor mentioned that he was "enhanced."

I suppose it's better than her being drunk all the time, though.
She's clearly not against using people and/or getting "rid" of the "problem" but seems to be against destroying the world.

I agree about the Terminator thing, clearly, a plan was at work here to show that this could happen with the tech, Boyd even said it would happen. Likely, they resumed the status quo for some reason (with Victor apparently becoming an active again) and the world still ended. I wouldn't be surprised if seasons 3-5 would have revealed a rival corporation doing something similar, or that Clyde and Boyd were back (I doubt Boyd would have gone without having a copy of himself somewhere).
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When Millie shot herself and then watching Boyd/Rossum after being wiped blow up the computer it made me think of a blog review I was reading about Dollhouse a week or two ago and a guy said Whedon was a comic con one year and said something along the lines of

"I got two big tricks I can throw out there. Killing a character or making them gay."
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I really thought Victor and or Sierra wasn't going to make it though the episode you don't get many happy couples with Whedon.
And even though he's evil i still fault a bit sorry for Boyd at the end i think it was because he was like a helpless child.
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Old January 16 2010, 05:23 AM   #15
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I really thought Victor and or Sierra wasn't going to make it though the episode you don't get many happy couples with Whedon.
And even though he's evil i still fault a bit sorry for Boyd at the end i think it was because he was like a helpless child.
They somewhat had to for a while, Epitaph One showed them in flashbacks in events we now know to be set between 2010 and 2019, but I get what you mean. I am glad that not all of it ended in disaster, and I now wish we'd be getting a season 3, I'd love to have seen what life would be like after the destruction of the HQ, and the realization they are still on the path of things to come.
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