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Old January 15 2010, 05:19 PM   #1
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Mr. Sternbach - greetings! I hope you had a great holiday season...

I recently found an image in my archives that I think can be attributed to you, but I'm not sure what ship it was supposed to be. I think it came from this board but am unsure as to its origin. Does anyone know? Any information appreciated.

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Old January 16 2010, 01:32 AM   #2
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I believe that's a potential design from 'The Pegasus' where Mr. Sternbach was considering making the Pegasus a Nebula-style Ambassador kitbash. I think they didn't have enough money to do a new design so we ended up with the Oberth again.

I, too, would like to know more.
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Old January 16 2010, 08:21 AM   #3
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Mr. Sternbach - greetings! I hope you had a great holiday season...

I recently found an image in my archives that I think can be attributed to you, but I'm not sure what ship it was supposed to be. I think it came from this board but am unsure as to its origin. Does anyone know? Any information appreciated
Yep, this was an almost-Pegasus. - Rick
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Old January 17 2010, 07:57 PM   #4
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Cool! Thanks very much for the confirmation.
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Old January 18 2010, 05:20 AM   #5
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Wait was it ever true that the Pegasus was going to be a Cheyenne Class ship? I remember reading somewhere that it was considered to make it one of these four nacelled ships from the starship graveyard of Wolf 359.
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Old January 19 2010, 01:21 AM   #6
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Wait was it ever true that the Pegasus was going to be a Cheyenne Class ship? I remember reading somewhere that it was considered to make it one of these four nacelled ships from the starship graveyard of Wolf 359.
No, that's not exactly true. There was a display in the Pegasus' engine room that "looked like" a diagram of four nacelles, but probably isn't:

http://www.box.net/shared/suroa0tes4

Someone just assumed that since the Cheyenne class has four nacelles, the Pegasus was supposed to be Cheyenne class.

According to Mr. Sternbach, the Pegasus as finalized in model form would have had design attributes from the Galaxy/Nebula class, but not necessarily four nacelles. Perhaps in future TNG-remastered-form, the ship could be given a better, more logical design than the awful Oberth class model that seemed to get overused in TNG.
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Old January 20 2010, 12:10 AM   #7
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^ I doubt that is even a ship msd in that screencap. It just looks like some random LCARS.
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Old January 20 2010, 01:22 AM   #8
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Ah it does look like a Nebula-style Ambassador/Galaxy kitbash, I always wondered what that MSD was supposed to look like.
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Where's there any Galaxy in there? It looks all Ambassador, IMO.
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Old January 20 2010, 05:01 AM   #10
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Where's there any Galaxy in there? It looks all Ambassador, IMO.
I think the ink drawing assumed Ambassador parts, from what I recall of the general proportions. I don't recall if I did a new systems cutaway for the Oberth-y Pegasus; I'd have to check screengrabs or my TNG files, but don't hold your breath.

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Old January 23 2010, 01:37 AM   #11
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Imagine the riches in the TNG files.
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Old February 10 2010, 07:58 PM   #12
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Mr. Sternbach - greetings! I hope you had a great holiday season...

I recently found an image in my archives that I think can be attributed to you, but I'm not sure what ship it was supposed to be. I think it came from this board but am unsure as to its origin. Does anyone know? Any information appreciated
Yep, this was an almost-Pegasus. - Rick
Rick - Does this look like a faithful external representation of the diagram?

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Old February 11 2010, 06:22 AM   #13
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Mr. Sternbach - greetings! I hope you had a great holiday season...

I recently found an image in my archives that I think can be attributed to you, but I'm not sure what ship it was supposed to be. I think it came from this board but am unsure as to its origin. Does anyone know? Any information appreciated
Yep, this was an almost-Pegasus. - Rick
Rick - Does this look like a faithful external representation of the diagram?
If you mean does the diagram use Ent-C parts to make a plausible Pegasus, I suppose it does. No way of knowing for sure, since we didn't actually do it.
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Old February 11 2010, 08:59 PM   #14
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Rick - Does this look like a faithful external representation of the diagram?
If you mean does the diagram use Ent-C parts to make a plausible Pegasus, I suppose it does. No way of knowing for sure, since we didn't actually do it.
And the above ship wouldn't have made a logical Pegasus anyway, for these reasons:

1. The Pegasus was supposed to be a small ship with only a few crewmembers, so having a gargantuan Ambassador-style ship would have been complete overkill, unless it was scaled down. But then...

2. The Pegasus was built only twelve years before the Enterprise-D. By that time, the Ambassador class (and presumably any variants of that class) would have been woefully obsolete. Since Geordi states that the ship's technology was a precursor to the Enterprise's, she should have looked like a mini-Galaxy class starship.

3. Although this isn't necessarily specific to the Pegasus, this design is nothing more than a bad kitbash of the Ambassador class. Having the nacelle pylons stuck to the underside of the saucer instead of the engineering hull makes little sense (I'm only adding this point because I'm aware of Mr. Sternbach's dislike of kitbashes).

I would love it if, once TNG is finally released on Blu-Ray, that if any remastering of effects is done, that the Pegasus design is changed from an Oberth into a truly unique GCS-era starship.
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Old February 12 2010, 11:50 AM   #15
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The Pegasus was built only twelve years before the Enterprise-D.
Naah. That's when she was being used for phase-cloak trials. She might have been built a century prior, and relegated to testing duties at that time.

LaForge calls her a "twelve year old ship" when wondering why the Romulans would want her, but that could well be interpreted as referring to the fact that she's twelve years out of date at the very best, and probably more.

Of course, if we want her to be unique, we can always postulate all sorts of intriguing add-on parts in her aft hull, which we never got to see...

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