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Old January 19 2010, 08:34 PM   #46
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Re: He's A Spider-Man!?

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No, he met MJ when he was at ESU. After he met Gwen and Harry.

Stan stated his intention was to marry Peter and Gwen, but she got killed instead because someone at management was uncomfortable with the idea.

Frankly, Gwen's death was when Marvel lost their balls. In a two-parter they killed off his love interest AND his archenemy. They shouldn't have stopped there, they should have continued with genre defying stories like that by never bringin Norman back and continuing to make huge changes to the series, changes that couldn't be undone just like that.
And how old are you in college? Usually between seventeen and twenty one. Half your time there is spent as a teenager



I thought Stan was "management" at that time. Wasn't he EIC or Publisher when that story was published? I've heard many versions about the behind scenes of "The Death of Gwen Stacy" but I cant say it being an alternative to marriage is one of them.

ETA: Though in reading an article on wiki I see it did factor. They saw the Gwen/Peter relationship as having to end in marriage or a breakup. FOr some reason they saw the break up as being "unrealistic" and marriage as being not compatable with the character of Spider-man.(it would age him ) So they came up with option three: killer her! This was from the writer, editor and artist, not "management". They though it enforced the tragic elements Spider-Man's life.

In retrospect they were short sighted. Peter and Gwen could have remained unmarried for ever. Or they could have broken up. Not too hard to create a reason. Funny that the folks in charge opted for marriage in the similar case of Peter and MJ.

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Old January 19 2010, 11:00 PM   #47
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They though it enforced the tragic elements Spider-Man's life.
Not to mention his actually being responsible for her dying!

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Old January 20 2010, 02:41 AM   #48
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Had he aged at a normal rate he'd be closing in on 70 these days.
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Old January 20 2010, 02:55 AM   #49
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They though it enforced the tragic elements Spider-Man's life.
Not to mention his actually being responsible for her dying!

Had he not webbed her she still would have died.
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Old January 20 2010, 03:39 AM   #50
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well then, I'm sure he felt no guilt at all.
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Old January 20 2010, 08:16 AM   #51
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^Yep, moved straight on to the next girl.

(Ignoring the part where he donated the money a mob boss gave him for protection to a library which they named after her as a result.)
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Old January 20 2010, 10:24 AM   #52
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They though it enforced the tragic elements Spider-Man's life.
Not to mention his actually being responsible for her dying!

Had he not webbed her she still would have died.
Actually, they did a later story where the same thing happened with some dude being tossed off a bridge and Peter managed to save him by making the web more stretchy like a bungee cord and not straight rope like he did with Gwen. The flexibility of the second web kept the guys' neck from snapping like Gwens' did.

So yeah, he could've saved her with the web.
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Old January 20 2010, 10:47 AM   #53
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^Could have, if he'd known in a moment of sheer desperation that his webbing would have had the effect it did. That's asking a bit much.
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Old January 20 2010, 02:17 PM   #54
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I agree, but the whole thing does add a harder edge to Peter's guilt(s). Norman actually rubbed this in Peter's face when he broadcast the Gwen thing to the whole city and pointed out "Spider-Man's web killed her, if I were that poor woman's boyfriend I'd hate Spider-Man..."
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Old January 20 2010, 02:55 PM   #55
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^There's nothing to indicate that Peter doesn't feel guilty though. IIRC, there was a story during JMS' run where a mob boss paid Spider-Man a significant amount of money to protect him.

He gave the money to a school or a library in Gwen's name. MJ supported him for doing it and it was clear that she understands and is okay with the fact that Peter still misses her.
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Old January 20 2010, 03:39 PM   #56
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are there good stories to tell about Spider-Man at lets say...30ish???
I thought that was his current age in the mainstream Marvel comics (or 616 reality as its known by). The marriage years definitely felt like late 20's / early 30's to me (especially the Stracynski run).

Of course, then you have stuff like Spider-man: Reign which features Pete in his 50's; it's essentially The Dark Knight Returns for Spider-man.
I didn't even know such a thing existed, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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