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Old January 6 2010, 08:31 PM   #16
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Re: Star Trek Concordance -- One More Time!

If only from a perspective of personal responsibility, he'd attempt a time warp to repair the damage, regardless of whether it was his home universe or not. The option isn't even raised.

Not our Spock.

It doesn't help that the Kelvin looks more TNG than pre-TOS.

Messed up no matter where you look.
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Old January 6 2010, 08:47 PM   #17
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Risk further damage, and possibly create another parallel universe, in a vain attempt to assuage some measure of guilt (if he even has a reason to feel guilty, which he doesn't)? Sounds misguided and illogical.
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Old January 6 2010, 08:49 PM   #18
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Can we not dredge up this same argument again? It's beside the point. The Concordance is a reference book covering every onscreen appearance of TOS characters. Continuity shouldn't even be a consideration, since it included TAS even at a time when TAS was pseudo-officially regarded as noncanonical. The new movie, like it or not, includes TOS elements and a TOS cast member, and that makes it fair game for a reference book whose purpose is to cover all onscreen TOS-related productions -- cover them, catalog them, not make value judgments about how or whether they fit together. Any argument about how the movie fits together with prior works of fiction involving the same characters is irrelevant to the topic of this particular thread.
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Old January 6 2010, 09:01 PM   #19
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Re: Star Trek Concordance -- One More Time!

Christopher wrote: View Post
The new movie, like it or not, includes TOS elements and a TOS cast member, and that makes it fair game for a reference book whose purpose is to cover all onscreen TOS-related productions -- cover them, catalog them, not make value judgments about how or whether they fit together.
Definitely.

The quotes of dialogue from TAS ("Yesteryear") included in the new film is another important link for any new edition of the "ST Concordance".
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Old January 7 2010, 12:02 AM   #20
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This will make for an interesting exercise in cataloging...
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Old January 7 2010, 12:09 AM   #21
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Can we not dredge up this same argument again? It's beside the point. The Concordance is a reference book covering every onscreen appearance of TOS characters. Continuity shouldn't even be a consideration, since it included TAS even at a time when TAS was pseudo-officially regarded as noncanonical. The new movie, like it or not, includes TOS elements and a TOS cast member, and that makes it fair game for a reference book whose purpose is to cover all onscreen TOS-related productions -- cover them, catalog them, not make value judgments about how or whether they fit together. Any argument about how the movie fits together with prior works of fiction involving the same characters is irrelevant to the topic of this particular thread.
Too true.

I don't see this ending well.

Entertaining, but not well.

It's about characters from TOS, Robert. It would be like an Encyclopedia of Christianity not including Protestantism because the editor is Catholic, and feels P isn't "really' of the church.

It's Kirk and Spock. Maybe not "your" Kirk and Spock. But that's your issue.
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Old January 7 2010, 01:12 AM   #22
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A part of the concept behind the Concordance is being able to make it all fit together into one big happy continuity. Too much of Abrams' film is completely irreconcilable with what came before in order to even pretend it fits.

So, yeah, there'll likely be entries for the new movie, but they'll be separate from every other reference in the book, because any attempt to reconcile it with everything else is an exercise in futility. For example, I'm seeing "Spock Prime" being a completely separate listing from Spock.

And that size comparison chart that got Geoff Mandel fired? I want that.
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Old January 7 2010, 02:01 AM   #23
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And that size comparison chart that got Geoff Mandel fired? I want that.
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Old January 7 2010, 03:30 AM   #24
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Okay, short version. Mandel and John Eaves were some of the very few on the production staff for JJ's Star Trek movie that had any prior practical experience with Star Trek. The order of the day was to work up a picture showing the size of the new Enterprise. Mandel did up a picture comparing the new ship with the original one. JJ fired him on the spot, because it was clear he was "too attached to the old ship." Eaves made sure to keep him mouth shut from that point on.

Suffice it to say that my disdain for this movie extends to those who made it.
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Old January 7 2010, 04:17 AM   #25
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Man, there's nothing more entertaining than righteously offended fans of something.
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Old January 7 2010, 06:06 AM   #26
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Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
Okay, short version. Mandel and John Eaves were some of the very few on the production staff for JJ's Star Trek movie that had any prior practical experience with Star Trek. The order of the day was to work up a picture showing the size of the new Enterprise. Mandel did up a picture comparing the new ship with the original one. JJ fired him on the spot, because it was clear he was "too attached to the old ship." Eaves made sure to keep him mouth shut from that point on.

Suffice it to say that my disdain for this movie extends to those who made it.
I highly doubt JJ would've done the firing. If anyone, Scott Chambliss, the Production Designer, who's responsible for the art department, would've handled it.
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Old January 7 2010, 06:43 AM   #27
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Yeah, Mr "The old bridge looked like a couple of shoeboxes pushed together." He's also on my shit list.
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Old January 7 2010, 07:18 AM   #28
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Edit: you know what, never mind.

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Old January 7 2010, 06:03 PM   #29
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Edit: you know what, never mind.
Yeah, me too.
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Old January 7 2010, 06:40 PM   #30
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What, you expect me to turn around on my stance on that lousy excuse for a movie just because of a gig? Can you imagine the amount of crap I'd get if I suddenly turned around and pretended everything was hunky dory with the thing?

Worry not, JJphiles, mine is not the final word on this, Bjo's is. Rest assured in the knowledge that JJ's film will be given fair treatment (even if that fair treatment means being sequestered in a special section in the back )

Otherwise, this'd be the cover...

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