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Old January 9 2010, 04:50 AM   #31
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Re: Fairwell to Mayweather?

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Good or bad, Enterprise was the only Star Trek series for which the primary cast never changed. That's pretty much unheard of in any series that goes at least four seasons.

Shran, although an excellent prospect for the Enterprise crew, didn't smile as much as Mayweather. The value of a good smile is something to take stock in.
That's true. Mayweather did smile easily.
On the other hand, Shran had a fascinating lust for life (I absolutely loved the scene with Archer when he talked about how he got hooked up with Talas. She hit on him (literally) and his alternatives were to court martial her or mate with her.
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Old January 9 2010, 12:06 PM   #32
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Trek's formal dialogue structure didn't suit Montgomery. I think it's Coto who, in one of the DVD commentaries (Similitude, maybe?), talks about how difficult it was to write for Trek because it was not colloquial dialogue; it was very structured and formal. I don't think that Montgomery was ever comfortable with that kind of formality. Some episode conversations were more natural, and Montgomery was fine in those scenes. One of my favorite, in Vox Sola, he's eating and trying to get Malcolm to watch that French film. Just the way he covers his mouth to say, "You'll like it - things blow up," is so charming and natural. But other times, he comes across stilted. As a GenY-er, it's just not natural for him to say "we are going to" instead of "we're gonna," for example.
The Boomer background could have been a good excuse to give him a less stiff and formal form of dialogue - another thing to seperate the "spent his whole life in space" vs "grew up on Earth" culture.
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Old January 9 2010, 06:28 PM   #33
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Trek's formal dialogue structure didn't suit Montgomery. I think it's Coto who, in one of the DVD commentaries (Similitude, maybe?), talks about how difficult it was to write for Trek because it was not colloquial dialogue; it was very structured and formal. I don't think that Montgomery was ever comfortable with that kind of formality. Some episode conversations were more natural, and Montgomery was fine in those scenes. One of my favorite, in Vox Sola, he's eating and trying to get Malcolm to watch that French film. Just the way he covers his mouth to say, "You'll like it - things blow up," is so charming and natural. But other times, he comes across stilted. As a GenY-er, it's just not natural for him to say "we are going to" instead of "we're gonna," for example.
The Boomer background could have been a good excuse to give him a less stiff and formal form of dialogue - another thing to seperate the "spent his whole life in space" vs "grew up on Earth" culture.
^ That would have been a great idea, especially if it was peppered with boomer slang: I can imagine him teasing Hoshi when she doesn't understand what he's saying...
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Old January 9 2010, 08:26 PM   #34
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Good or bad, Enterprise was the only Star Trek series for which the primary cast never changed. That's pretty much unheard of in any series that goes at least four seasons.

Shran, although an excellent prospect for the Enterprise crew, didn't smile as much as Mayweather. The value of a good smile is something to take stock in.
Good points there, though I think the Season 5 addition of Shran would have energized the show leading up to the first Romulan War stories in a way little else could have. A grim demeanor and cold personality or not, Combs' character would have been a jolt in the arm the show needed to get through a fifth year with flying colors.
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Old January 16 2010, 03:35 PM   #35
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Travis Mayweather was my favorite ENT character. I think it is a shame when writers shift focus to 2 or 3 main characters and keep it there...like Archer, T'Pol & Trip. If you think about it the order of focus went like this...

Archer
T'Pol
Trip
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Phlox
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Second Alien Guest Star Of The Week
Misc Crewman
Travis

It is lack of creativity on the writers part leaving a main character nowhere.
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Old January 16 2010, 08:41 PM   #36
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^You left off Porthos...ranked after Second Alien Guest Star Of The Week...
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Old January 16 2010, 09:15 PM   #37
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Hell, the ARMORY ROOM got more attention and focus than Travis did...even when Malcolm wasn't in there doing anything.
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Old January 17 2010, 02:29 AM   #38
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I also forgot Phlox's critters...they got more focus than Travis also.
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Old January 17 2010, 02:35 AM   #39
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Re: Fairwell to Mayweather?

This leads to the question:

If there was a well-written Trek novel that focused on Ensign Mayweather, would you read it?

And the 'you' is referring to the posters, not anyone in particular...
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Old January 17 2010, 03:47 AM   #40
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This leads to the question:

If there was a well-written Trek novel that focused on Ensign Mayweather, would you read it?

And the 'you' is referring to the posters, not anyone in particular...
Michael A. Martin's The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing partially fits that criteria, so I'd say yes, I definitely would.
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Old January 17 2010, 03:54 AM   #41
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I also forgot Phlox's critters...they got more focus than Travis also.


Travis' chair in the Ferengi episode got more focus than Travis.
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Old January 17 2010, 11:33 PM   #42
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This leads to the question:

If there was a well-written Trek novel that focused on Ensign Mayweather, would you read it?

And the 'you' is referring to the posters, not anyone in particular...
Michael A. Martin's The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing partially fits that criteria, so I'd say yes, I definitely would.
I dont know, I found Mayweather to be very whiny and annoying in that one.
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Old January 18 2010, 01:43 AM   #43
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Joel_Kirk wrote: View Post
This leads to the question:

If there was a well-written Trek novel that focused on Ensign Mayweather, would you read it?

And the 'you' is referring to the posters, not anyone in particular...
Michael A. Martin's The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing partially fits that criteria, so I'd say yes, I definitely would.
I dont know, I found Mayweather to be very whiny and annoying in that one.
Was there a novel where you didn't find him whiny?

If not, would you read a novel--well-written--that focused on Mayweather?

Third question: Are you a fan of the Hoshi Sato character?
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Old January 20 2010, 03:36 PM   #44
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Mayweather was not only played by the worst actor to ever have a main cast role on Star Trek, but the character himself was a walking joke. Totally forgetful, nothing interesting about him, and very annoying as well.

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Yes, like you.

Race has nothing to do with this discussion, but you had to start up that nonsense.
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Mayweather was not only played by the worst actor to ever have a main cast role on Star Trek, but the character himself was a walking joke. Totally forgetful, nothing interesting about him, and very annoying as well.

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Yes, like you.

Race has nothing to do with this discussion, but you had to start up that nonsense.
Go over to TNZ sometime. That place has its share of people who see race in anything and everything. There are a couple of people there who probably think White-Out is a sinister racist plot.
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