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Old March 20 2010, 03:46 PM   #106
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I just finished the book last night. I already liked the original version, but I really feel the new content just took it up to a whole other level. I really liked the way it spread the focus to other characters than just Spock, I especially liked the added character development for Carol Marcus, and the addition of the Vanguard material. I'm huge fan of Vanguard, so anytime it's tied into another series or books, I'm very happy.
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Old March 24 2010, 10:52 PM   #107
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I really enjoyed the original The Sorrows of Empire. The expanded version was even better. I read the expanded novel not too long after the original because I wanted to be able to tell what was new. At first I was a bit worried that it would seem repetitive reading the two so close together, but it wasn't. The original material was distributed evenly enough that it was almost like reading a whole new novel. I liked the Vanguard material that was added. I may get Shards and Shadows sooner than I would have so that I can find out more about mirror Vanguard.

There was one minor difference I noticed and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why it was changed. In the original, the assassin's armor is made out of ultritium, but in the expanded version it was trilithium. It's just such a small change and it doesn't really matter, but it did bring me out of the story (just a little) because I kept trying to figure out why it was changed.
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Old March 25 2010, 12:44 AM   #108
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^ Trilithium is an explosive, innit?
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Old March 25 2010, 08:34 AM   #109
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yes. so's ultritium.
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Old March 25 2010, 01:24 PM   #110
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^ At the time I made the change, I was certain I had a good reason. Now, however, I can't recall what it was. It might have been that I'd established in the first Vanguard novel that ultritium was a known explosive in 2365 (in the prime Star Trek universe). Because the Empire would likely have a means to detect known compounds, I changed it to another typically associated with a later time period, to imply that this was something new which would evade the 23rd-century sensors of the Terran Empire.
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Old March 25 2010, 01:58 PM   #111
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^I think you mean 2265.
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Old March 25 2010, 04:28 PM   #112
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Well if it's known in 2265, then surely it will be known in 2365 as well. So it's still accurate.
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Old July 28 2010, 05:42 PM   #113
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After months of not being able to find this book in California, I finally stumbled across it while on vacation in Pennsylvania. Certainly helped pass the time on the flight back. Mack the Knife's in rare form here.
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Old July 30 2010, 09:36 PM   #114
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One odd thing I've noticed in the MU. It seems like while circumstances came together such that neither Jake nor the O'Brien children were born in the MU, our mirror heroes were lucky enough that none of those things got in the way of *their* parents having kids.

The Terran population definitely would've started declining post-Alliance. I presume that Spock's assassination and the fall of the Empire/Republic would have happened long before Sisko (well, bad example, his birth was engineered by the Prophets), Bashir, and O'Brien were even born making it possible that they'd have never been born.
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Old July 30 2010, 09:48 PM   #115
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I find it interesting that Bashir was either born without any mental disabilities or that his parents still found a way to get him genetic intervention.
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Old July 30 2010, 09:52 PM   #116
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I find it interesting that Bashir was either born without any mental disabilities or that his parents still found a way to get him genetic intervention.
Hmm. I thought I'd read in the DS9 Companion that he was played as if he was just 'normal' Jules all growed up.
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Old July 30 2010, 10:27 PM   #117
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I find it interesting that Bashir was either born without any mental disabilities or that his parents still found a way to get him genetic intervention.
Hmm. I thought I'd read in the DS9 Companion that he was played as if he was just 'normal' Jules all growed up.
It's possible. The description of Jules (from Julian's parents) seemed to indicate an individual with severe mental disabilities. They could have been over-reacting, but it's unlikely the person described could have become as high-functioning as seen in the MU universe (without medical intervention).

Perhaps MU Jule's parents worked with the enemy and got medical improvements for their child in exchange (just enough to become "normal")...
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Old July 30 2010, 10:44 PM   #118
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Or maybe it's like how Eureka recently justified Kevin not being autistic in the altered timeline: his condition was the result of a variety of both genetic and environmental factors, so if events had been different, the disability might not have occurred.

And Mirror-Bashir couldn't have been played as pre-engineered "Jules" all grown up, because the idea of Bashir being genetically engineered wasn't devised until a few seasons after we met Mirror-Bashir.
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Old July 31 2010, 01:33 AM   #119
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Perhaps MU Jule's parents worked with the enemy and got medical improvements for their child in exchange (just enough to become "normal")...
In the RU, Richard Bashir is kind of a layabout, never lasting too long at any one job. His MU counterpart could be the opposite - a very powerful (for a Terran) official who had a lot of clout and could get the treatments whenever he wanted.
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Old July 31 2010, 04:24 AM   #120
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Or maybe it's like how Eureka recently justified Kevin not being autistic in the altered timeline: his condition was the result of a variety of both genetic and environmental factors, so if events had been different, the disability might not have occurred.

And Mirror-Bashir couldn't have been played as pre-engineered "Jules" all grown up, because the idea of Bashir being genetically engineered wasn't devised until a few seasons after we met Mirror-Bashir.
The actor mentions in the DS9 Companion that he imagined Jules was not genetically engineered in a commentary on one of the episodes...he must've been retcon'ing it I guess.
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