Star Trek XI Top Pirated Movie

Hambone · December 28 2009, 05:23 PM

http://www.trektoday.com/content/200...pirated-movie/

This just pisses me off. There's just no way to justify this sort of crime. I can't understand this; people who would never walk out of a store with a loaf of bread without paying seem to have no problem with illegal downloads or pirating.

Does the fact that there's little to no chance of getting caught make it okay? Or do they think it's all right to steal, as long as it's from a giant corporation?

As a musician who depends upon CD and sheet music sales for a substantial percentage of my income, I have been burned by illegal copies more times than I can count. Please, people, If you support something, pay for the damn thing. When you illegally download music or movies, or rip a copy of a DVD, you're no better than a punk who rips off cigarettes from the corner convenience store.

Phily B · December 28 2009, 06:11 PM

I only downloaded it after I'd seen it in the pictures, the DVD release date was stupidly long and a good rip was up months before it was out.

Sector 7 · December 28 2009, 08:00 PM

Why would anyone WANT to pirate INSURRECTION (Star Trek IX)?!

It was not that good to begin with.
Right or wrong, 'ripping' or downloading movies, music, etc. is a fact of life. Many do so to see if a movie or music is worth the price. If they like it, they will pay for a legal copy to keep or go to the theater and pay to watch it.

Hambone · December 28 2009, 09:44 PM

Sector 7 wrote:

Why would anyone WANT to pirate INSURRECTION (Star Trek IX)?!

It was not that good to begin with.

Oops. Mixed up my "IX" and my "XI". Damn you, Romans!

Sector 7 wrote:

Right or wrong, 'ripping' or downloading movies, music, etc. is a fact of life.

There's no "right or wrong" about it. It's wrong and it's illegal. It's only a fact of life if one chooses to make illegal activity a part of one's life.

Sector 7 wrote:

Many do so to see if a movie or music is worth the price. If they like it, they will pay for a legal copy to keep or go to the theater and pay to watch it.

By that logic, I should be able to walk out of Walmart with a DVD, and only pay for it later if I liked it.

Temis the Vorta · December 28 2009, 10:04 PM

Speaking as someone who has honestly never illegally downloaded anything - music, movies, TV shows - I gotta say...

Pirating movies that are box office hits doesn't do anything to inhibit more movies like them being made - they're still hits. I only would care about piracy if it stopped the types of movies being made that I liked. Otherwise it has no impact on me.

The ill effect would be on the movies on that list that aren't box office hits: RocknRolla and State of Play. For whatever reason, movies like those are attracting piracy but not butts in seats. Those are the types that the movie honchos will decide not to make more of. But they sure aren't going to stop making Ice Ages and Twilights just become they attract piracy.

Just for contrast, here's the worldwide revenues for all the movies on that list:

Star Trek - $385M
Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs - $884M
RocknRolla - $26M
The Hangover - $459M
Twilight - $385M
District 9 - $285M
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince -$929M
State of Play - $88M
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - $373M
Knowing - $183M

Sure, you could carp about the order of that list. To the extent that it doesn't decrease financially from #1 on down, some movie types are being hurt. If there's any impact at all, piracy means more Harry Potter and less District 9. But the big impact is for the few movies that are obvious financial outliers (to the extent they represent any kind of trend.)

Flake · December 28 2009, 10:20 PM

Look on the bright side, all the millions who did see the movie illegally might have enjoyed it enough to see the next one at the cinema.

Shikarnov · December 28 2009, 10:37 PM

I agree with the notion that intellectual property is still property and should be respected. But I also think that large property holders have broken new ground in how they define piracy specifically to create pirates.

If you buy a DVD, and rip it to your iPod to watch on an airplane, then you're a pirate. If you break iTunes' DRM scheme so that you can watch a legally purchased movie using a different program, you're a pirate. If you want access to a version of the movie that's not for sale in you're market (and you're not a part of the targeted market for that version), then you're shit outta luck without torrents or gnutella networks.

Not every "pirate," as defined by the MPAA, is a thief, or would be a thief with reasonable alternatives. And just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong. The United States' DMCA, for example, is a bad law that all but erased fair use concepts. Violating it is, for many people, a form of protest.

And besides, at almost $400 million in revenue, the folks who made Star Trek shouldn't be crying. If piracy had been eliminated, they probably would have made no more money. There simply would have been fewer people to spread the word about how great the film was.

Hambone · December 28 2009, 10:51 PM

Shikarnov wrote:

And besides, at almost $400 million in revenue, the folks who made Star Trek shouldn't be crying.

So you're saying it's okay to steal, as long as you're only stealing from rich people?

M'Sharak · December 28 2009, 11:55 PM

Hambone wrote:

Sector 7 wrote:

Why would anyone WANT to pirate INSURRECTION (Star Trek IX)?!

It was not that good to begin with.

Oops. Mixed up my "IX" and my "XI". Damn you, Romans!

Fixed.

Starbreaker · December 28 2009, 11:58 PM

I will admit that I downloaded the movie back in October, but I did plop down $20 for the Blu-Ray.

Shikarnov · December 29 2009, 12:25 AM

Hambone wrote:

Shikarnov wrote:

And besides, at almost $400 million in revenue, the folks who made Star Trek shouldn't be crying.

So you're saying it's okay to steal, as long as you're only stealing from rich people?

I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that the producers of the movie have little cause for complaint since the movie was successful.

OneBuckFilms · December 29 2009, 12:50 AM

Pirating movies online is quite frankly the biggest waste of time and resources, and is a poke in the eye to everyone involved in creating it.

Borgminister · December 29 2009, 01:38 AM

Hambone wrote:

Shikarnov wrote:

And besides, at almost $400 million in revenue, the folks who made Star Trek shouldn't be crying.

So you're saying it's okay to steal, as long as you're only stealing from rich people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp-R1o753pM

Photoman15 · December 30 2009, 12:37 AM

I know "someone" who saw the movie in the theater 12 times, then pirated the movie. As soon as the Blu-Ray came out, he bought the blu-ray (3 disc set). Is pirating illegal, yes. Is it wrong? Depends. Paramount lost not one cent on my "friend". He spent the same amount he would have spent without downloading a "transitionary" copy.

pah2602 · December 30 2009, 06:30 AM

Saw it in the cinema he week it came out, downloaded a fairly poor copy a few weeks later to have another loo, preordered the 3 disc blu-ray for €25.

I would have spent the same amont of money on this movie whether I downloaded it or not

Downloadd a few albums recently, out of curiosity, one or two I didn't like and deleted them. A fwe other I did and have them on my phone to listen to but I wen out and bought 3 albums that I loved to have the CDs fo the house/car and because I wanted to contribute to and show my support for such good records. I don't feel guilty or anything

December 28 2009, 06:11 PM	#2
Phily B Fleet Captain Location: United Kingdom	Re: Star Trek IX Top Pirated Movie I only downloaded it after I'd seen it in the pictures, the DVD release date was stupidly long and a good rip was up months before it was out.

December 28 2009, 08:00 PM	#3
Sector 7 Rear Admiral Location: Obama's Achievements - http://obamaachievements.org/list	Re: Star Trek IX Top Pirated Movie Why would anyone WANT to pirate INSURRECTION (Star Trek IX)?! It was not that good to begin with. Right or wrong, 'ripping' or downloading movies, music, etc. is a fact of life. Many do so to see if a movie or music is worth the price. If they like it, they will pay for a legal copy to keep or go to the theater and pay to watch it. __________________ “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” -FDR God gives us what we can handle, even if we don't believe it ourselves.

December 28 2009, 10:04 PM	#5
Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Location: Tatoinne	Re: Star Trek IX Top Pirated Movie Speaking as someone who has honestly never illegally downloaded anything - music, movies, TV shows - I gotta say... Pirating movies that are box office hits doesn't do anything to inhibit more movies like them being made - they're still hits. I only would care about piracy if it stopped the types of movies being made that I liked. Otherwise it has no impact on me. The ill effect would be on the movies on that list that aren't box office hits: RocknRolla and State of Play. For whatever reason, movies like those are attracting piracy but not butts in seats. Those are the types that the movie honchos will decide not to make more of. But they sure aren't going to stop making Ice Ages and Twilights just become they attract piracy. Just for contrast, here's the worldwide revenues for all the movies on that list: Star Trek - $385M Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs - $884M RocknRolla - $26M The Hangover - $459M Twilight - $385M District 9 - $285M Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince -$929M State of Play - $88M X-Men Origins: Wolverine - $373M Knowing - $183M Sure, you could carp about the order of that list. To the extent that it doesn't decrease financially from #1 on down, some movie types are being hurt. If there's any impact at all, piracy means more Harry Potter and less District 9. But the big impact is for the few movies that are obvious financial outliers (to the extent they represent any kind of trend.)

December 28 2009, 10:20 PM	#6
Flake Commodore Location: Manchester, UK	Re: Star Trek IX Top Pirated Movie Look on the bright side, all the millions who did see the movie illegally might have enjoyed it enough to see the next one at the cinema.

December 28 2009, 10:37 PM	#7
Shikarnov Commodore Location: Texas (Connecticut & Ivanovo in years past)	Re: Star Trek IX Top Pirated Movie I agree with the notion that intellectual property is still property and should be respected. But I also think that large property holders have broken new ground in how they define piracy specifically to create pirates. If you buy a DVD, and rip it to your iPod to watch on an airplane, then you're a pirate. If you break iTunes' DRM scheme so that you can watch a legally purchased movie using a different program, you're a pirate. If you want access to a version of the movie that's not for sale in you're market (and you're not a part of the targeted market for that version), then you're shit outta luck without torrents or gnutella networks. Not every "pirate," as defined by the MPAA, is a thief, or would be a thief with reasonable alternatives. And just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong. The United States' DMCA, for example, is a bad law that all but erased fair use concepts. Violating it is, for many people, a form of protest. And besides, at almost $400 million in revenue, the folks who made Star Trek shouldn't be crying. If piracy had been eliminated, they probably would have made no more money. There simply would have been fewer people to spread the word about how great the film was. __________________ "It is logically impossible for people to know God exists without any proven evidence. It is, however logically plausible to believe something does not exist if there is no evidence of it."

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December 28 2009, 05:23 PM	#1
Hambone Fleet Captain Location: Land of cheese, sausage and beer	Star Trek XI Top Pirated Movie http://www.trektoday.com/content/200...pirated-movie/ This just pisses me off. There's just no way to justify this sort of crime. I can't understand this; people who would never walk out of a store with a loaf of bread without paying seem to have no problem with illegal downloads or pirating. Does the fact that there's little to no chance of getting caught make it okay? Or do they think it's all right to steal, as long as it's from a giant corporation? As a musician who depends upon CD and sheet music sales for a substantial percentage of my income, I have been burned by illegal copies more times than I can count. Please, people, If you support something, pay for the damn thing. When you illegally download music or movies, or rip a copy of a DVD, you're no better than a punk who rips off cigarettes from the corner convenience store. __________________ Get a haircut, hippie.

December 28 2009, 11:58 PM	#10
Starbreaker Fleet Admiral	Re: Star Trek XI Top Pirated Movie I will admit that I downloaded the movie back in October, but I did plop down $20 for the Blu-Ray.

December 29 2009, 12:50 AM	#12
OneBuckFilms Fleet Captain	Re: Star Trek XI Top Pirated Movie Pirating movies online is quite frankly the biggest waste of time and resources, and is a poke in the eye to everyone involved in creating it.

December 30 2009, 12:37 AM	#14
Photoman15 Fleet Captain Location: The sunny shores of Trenzalore	Re: Star Trek XI Top Pirated Movie I know "someone" who saw the movie in the theater 12 times, then pirated the movie. As soon as the Blu-Ray came out, he bought the blu-ray (3 disc set). Is pirating illegal, yes. Is it wrong? Depends. Paramount lost not one cent on my "friend". He spent the same amount he would have spent without downloading a "transitionary" copy. __________________ I refuse to put a signature here! oh...uh...ummm

December 30 2009, 06:30 AM	#15
pah2602 Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Ireland	Re: Star Trek XI Top Pirated Movie Saw it in the cinema he week it came out, downloaded a fairly poor copy a few weeks later to have another loo, preordered the 3 disc blu-ray for €25. I would have spent the same amont of money on this movie whether I downloaded it or not Downloadd a few albums recently, out of curiosity, one or two I didn't like and deleted them. A fwe other I did and have them on my phone to listen to but I wen out and bought 3 albums that I loved to have the CDs fo the house/car and because I wanted to contribute to and show my support for such good records. I don't feel guilty or anything