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Old December 9 2009, 01:15 AM   #16
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Re: And now, something "weird" - USS Archon, NCC-0189

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Like a case that makes the two nacelles look like one that's shaped roughly like 1701-A's.
wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having 4 nacelles?
No, because as far as I can tell, when there's 4, their purpose is to look kewl.
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Old December 9 2009, 01:24 AM   #17
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Re: And now, something "weird" - USS Archon, NCC-0189

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IMHO for what its worth I would use the original Kelvin secondary hull since the Archon was older then Kelvin.
Its also got a Wasp class kind of look to it.

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go to www.starfleet-museum.org for more.

And isn't the purpose of nacelles to look cool? If not, then what's the purpose, because since the defiant doesn't have nacelles, then none should have to.
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Old December 9 2009, 02:00 AM   #18
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Is ther option to upload images instead of using a link I can't seem to find the button? sorry Mad...
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Old December 9 2009, 02:03 AM   #19
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Is ther option to upload images instead of using a link I can't seem to find the button? sorry Mad...
I don't believe there is. I just upload to imageshack.us and link from there
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Old December 9 2009, 02:30 AM   #20
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Re: And now, something "weird" - USS Archon, NCC-0189

Thanks guys. I'm glad this has been such a success.

I really like the idea of a housing around the pair of Nacelles... it won't enclose them entirely, but it could hide the connection point that's in the middle there.

I also had another thought; in order to put it in the timeframe that I want, maybe I will turn it into the USS Archon - A. That could keep the original registry intact, and make fit right in.

I'll have some more updates tomorrow.

Any other suggestions?
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Old December 9 2009, 02:38 AM   #21
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Re: And now, something "weird" - USS Archon, NCC-0189

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I really like the idea of a housing around the pair of Nacelles... it won't enclose them entirely, but it could hide the connection point that's in the middle there.
What about leaving the nacelles largely as they are and making the bussard collectors on the front one unit?
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Old December 9 2009, 01:58 PM   #22
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I really like the idea of a housing around the pair of Nacelles... it won't enclose them entirely, but it could hide the connection point that's in the middle there.
What about leaving the nacelles largely as they are and making the bussard collectors on the front one unit?
That's a great idea.

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Old December 9 2009, 02:53 PM   #23
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Hi Madman, I'm a bit of a lurker here don't tend to reply to many threads, but this ship you've designed looks f**king fantastic!! Terrific work!
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Old December 9 2009, 03:04 PM   #24
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And isn't the purpose of nacelles to look cool? If not, then what's the purpose, because since the defiant doesn't have nacelles, then none should have to.
I was just about to mention that site. This design would fit in well with that site's tech aesthetic.
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Old December 9 2009, 03:15 PM   #25
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In reference to the Defiant, she does have warp nacelles but the components - warp coils, bussard collectors etc - are embedded close to the main hull inside the 'wings' on either side of the ship. Presumably because the Defiant was designed as a warship the concept was to keep everything as 'tight' as possible, rather than having relatively delicate pylons thrusting out from the main body of the ship.
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Old December 9 2009, 04:46 PM   #26
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Re: And now, something "weird" - USS Archon, NCC-0189

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In reference to the Defiant, she does have warp nacelles but the components - warp coils, bussard collectors etc - are embedded close to the main hull inside the 'wings' on either side of the ship.
"that word you keep using... i do not think it means what you think it means."

the definition of a 'nacelle' includes 'separate from the fuselage'. therefore, the defiant may have a warp drive, but it definitely does not have nacelles.
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Old December 9 2009, 06:23 PM   #27
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the definition of a 'nacelle' includes 'separate from the fuselage'. therefore, the defiant may have a warp drive, but it definitely does not have nacelles.
Granted, but regardless of what the dictionary definition is, we're discussing an 'in-universe' scenario and the 'in-universe' definition of warp nacelle is the propulsive part of the warp engine containing the warp coils.

Any schematic of the Defiant contains labels pointing to the 'wings' of the ship being the warp nacelles.

So while I agree with you to an extent, the word "nacelle" when used in a Star Trek context is taken to mean a part of the overall warp drive.

So the Defiant did have warp nacelles
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Old December 9 2009, 07:06 PM   #28
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*shrug* sure, nibble grin horror. final bin snazzy, door happen gourd nadir.
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Old December 9 2009, 09:22 PM   #29
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*shrug* sure, nibble grin horror. final bin snazzy, door happen gourd nadir.
Got no idea what you're smoking but glad we sorted that out
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Re: And now, something "weird" - USS Archon, NCC-0189

Alright, I have something else for you guys to look at. I started with the "cowl" over both engines, and moved the connection point to that area, instead of the middle. I also moved the secondary hull back some, and straightened the edges of the pylons. I think this arrangement is good; I'm going to start cleaning up and refining, now.








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