Conjectural movie era uniforms

Longinus · December 7 2009, 08:39 PM

Inspired by this thread:
http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=109779

It was proposed that maybe the late 23th (and early 24th) century uniforms -that were radical departure from any Star Fleet uniform before or after this era- actually were more formal class-A uniforms, and there existed a less militaristic looking class-B variant. So here is my suggestion for class-B officer's uniform:

I am not actually sure if I like them myself, anyhow, here they are.

(Based on uniform templates originally published in Star Trek: the Magazine.)

Kaiser · December 7 2009, 08:50 PM

They seem ok to me

thesovereignman · December 7 2009, 08:53 PM

The red movie uniforms were by far my favorites, and your adaptation is good, but if they were formal uniforms, why is it that officers always wore them? Formal uniforms before and since were only used on important occasions.

Edit: I'm not saying I don't like it. I do, very much so

iguana_tonante · December 7 2009, 08:54 PM

Personally, I like them very much.

Data Holmes · December 8 2009, 01:01 AM

Longinus wrote:

Inspired by this thread:
http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=109779

It was proposed that maybe the late 23th (and early 24th) century uniforms -that were radical departure from any Star Fleet uniform before or after this era- actually were more formal class-A uniforms, and there existed a less militaristic looking class-B variant. So here is my suggestion for class-B officer's uniform:

I am not actually sure if I like them myself, anyhow, here they are.

(Based on uniform templates originally published in Star Trek: the Magazine.)

Nice... I like the idea a lot, and toyed with it myself in some of my fan fics.

Have you thought about keeping the tan yoke from the jumpsuit uniform? Star fleet has a history of making two piece uniforms based off of their jumpsuit uniforms, so when I needed a "class B" uniform that was the direction I went.

USS Triumphant · December 8 2009, 01:58 AM

I like these a lot. Strange thing is, I feel like I've already seen Saavik wearing one of these somewhere!

Data Holmes · December 8 2009, 02:00 AM

Joyful & Triumphant wrote:

I like these a lot. Strange thing is, I feel like I've already seen Saavik wearing one of these somewhere!

You're thinking of the waistcoat she had on under her jacket in TSFS.

USS Triumphant · December 8 2009, 02:13 AM

Data Holmes wrote:

You're thinking of the waistcoat she had on under her jacket in TSFS.

Yeah, that almost has to be it, doesn't it?

Anyone have a picture of that so we can see how it looks in relation to the design in the OP here?

Wingsley · December 8 2009, 02:15 AM

Longinus,

I really like your idea, and I agree that standard uniforms should have a less-militaristic look to them. Here's an additional idea: maybe Class B and lesser uniforms should use a simpler, less ornate badge design more like TOS. Maybe you could also borrow an idea from current U.S. Army fatigues by incorporating rank insignia onto the chest of the jacket, maybe on a small flap that would cover the upper part of the zipper.

Data Holmes · December 8 2009, 02:52 AM

Joyful & Triumphant wrote:

Data Holmes wrote:

You're thinking of the waistcoat she had on under her jacket in TSFS.

Yeah, that almost has to be it, doesn't it?

Anyone have a picture of that so we can see how it looks in relation to the design in the OP here?

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd1588.jpg

Data Holmes · December 8 2009, 02:54 AM

Wingsley wrote:

Longinus,

I really like your idea, and I agree that standard uniforms should have a less-militaristic look to them. Here's an additional idea: maybe Class B and lesser uniforms should use a simpler, less ornate badge design more like TOS.

Agreed, I think the version used in TMP would work fine.

Maybe you could also borrow an idea from current U.S. Army fatigues by incorporating rank insignia onto the chest of the jacket, maybe on a small flap that would cover the upper part of the zipper.

Ugh. I hate that rank on the chest design.

sbk1234 · December 8 2009, 04:46 AM

Actually, what I really missed from the TWOK uniforms was the rank stripes on the sleeves. That might work well here.

I love these new uniforms. I think they would have worked well, and been well recieved.

Wingsley · December 8 2009, 05:55 AM

^ Neat idea! That's one fine tradition that should've been carried over from TOS and TMP to the later movies verbatim, and it would've worked better than the insignia. The only thing I would've changed (in hindsight) was to make the TOS-style sleeve braids more in line with the shoulder braids used by the 20th/21st century US Navy. (Four braids for captains, instead of the TOS two-and-a-half)

Longinus · December 8 2009, 07:46 PM

I considered both the smaller pin and the rank stripes, but I felt that they would have been too radical departures from the style of that era.

Longinus · December 8 2009, 10:26 PM

These are variations for the early 24th century, before the TNG uniforms were adopted.

Officer's duty uniforms inspired by Kirk's Nexus vest. For these less fancy uniforms red has been phased out except for the senior officers. The red version of the coat is only worn by the captain and the first officer. Science and medical has again been combined under a single colour. Movie uniforms remain as formal wear.

Alternate jumpsuits. Mostly worn by enlisted personnel, but also on occasion by officers that find pockets handy, such as engineers.

December 7 2009, 08:39 PM	#1
Longinus Commander	Conjectural movie era uniforms Inspired by this thread: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=109779 It was proposed that maybe the late 23th (and early 24th) century uniforms -that were radical departure from any Star Fleet uniform before or after this era- actually were more formal class-A uniforms, and there existed a less militaristic looking class-B variant. So here is my suggestion for class-B officer's uniform: I am not actually sure if I like them myself, anyhow, here they are. (Based on uniform templates originally published in Star Trek: the Magazine.)

December 7 2009, 08:50 PM	#2
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thesovereignman Lieutenant Commander Location: Pittsburgh	Re: Conjectural movie era uniforms The red movie uniforms were by far my favorites, and your adaptation is good, but if they were formal uniforms, why is it that officers always wore them? Formal uniforms before and since were only used on important occasions. Edit: I'm not saying I don't like it. I do, very much so Last edited by thesovereignman; December 7 2009 at 09:15 PM.

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December 8 2009, 02:15 AM	#9
Wingsley Commodore Location: Wingsley	Re: Conjectural movie era uniforms Longinus, I really like your idea, and I agree that standard uniforms should have a less-militaristic look to them. Here's an additional idea: maybe Class B and lesser uniforms should use a simpler, less ornate badge design more like TOS. Maybe you could also borrow an idea from current U.S. Army fatigues by incorporating rank insignia onto the chest of the jacket, maybe on a small flap that would cover the upper part of the zipper. __________________ "The way that you wander is the way that you choose. / The day that you tarry is the day that you lose. / Sunshine or thunder, a man will always wonder / Where the fair wind blows ..." -- Lyrics, Jeremiah Johnson's theme.

December 8 2009, 04:46 AM	#12
sbk1234 Rear Admiral Location: Los Angeles	Re: Conjectural movie era uniforms Actually, what I really missed from the TWOK uniforms was the rank stripes on the sleeves. That might work well here. I love these new uniforms. I think they would have worked well, and been well recieved. __________________ In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention. "It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood

December 8 2009, 05:55 AM	#13
Wingsley Commodore Location: Wingsley	Re: Conjectural movie era uniforms ^ Neat idea! That's one fine tradition that should've been carried over from TOS and TMP to the later movies verbatim, and it would've worked better than the insignia. The only thing I would've changed (in hindsight) was to make the TOS-style sleeve braids more in line with the shoulder braids used by the 20th/21st century US Navy. (Four braids for captains, instead of the TOS two-and-a-half) __________________ "The way that you wander is the way that you choose. / The day that you tarry is the day that you lose. / Sunshine or thunder, a man will always wonder / Where the fair wind blows ..." -- Lyrics, Jeremiah Johnson's theme.

December 8 2009, 07:46 PM	#14
Longinus Commander	Re: Conjectural movie era uniforms I considered both the smaller pin and the rank stripes, but I felt that they would have been too radical departures from the style of that era.

December 8 2009, 10:26 PM	#15
Longinus Commander	Re: Conjectural movie era uniforms These are variations for the early 24th century, before the TNG uniforms were adopted. Officer's duty uniforms inspired by Kirk's Nexus vest. For these less fancy uniforms red has been phased out except for the senior officers. The red version of the coat is only worn by the captain and the first officer. Science and medical has again been combined under a single colour. Movie uniforms remain as formal wear. Alternate jumpsuits. Mostly worn by enlisted personnel, but also on occasion by officers that find pockets handy, such as engineers.