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Old December 4 2009, 12:29 AM   #31
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Re: So Black Hole is officially being remade by Disney?

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Pick up the pace!!!! It was like being trapped in the event horizon!

I still remember the music though. When ever something is slow I begin humming it.
Oh yes. I hope they keep the music. I think it was absolutely perfect for that movie. I wouldn't change that one bit, and I hope they don't.

As for the rest of the movie, I love it despite it's faults. Maximillian Schell is just brilliant as Reinhardt, and Maximilian the robot is crazy evil and STILL sends shivers up my spine.

And who doesn't love Ernest Borgnine? Who I ask you?!

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Old December 4 2009, 05:40 AM   #32
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I hope they keep the 'hell' scene. How many other films have you seen where you actually get to see the bad guy get what's coming to him at the end?
In that case, who's the flowy guy in the heavenly cathedral?
It was Frank McCrae (Kate's father), who had - in life - been trapped inside of Maximilian; Frank's brain was used as the "A.I." for the big robot. Reinhardt did this because Frank led the Cygnus crew in mutiny against him, and Reinhardt wanted revenge.

The angelic being we see is actually the soul of Frank being released and sent to his final reward in Heaven.

we see the Cygnus' robotified crew in "Hell," but why would they be there?
Part of Reinhardt's punishment, most likely. The humanoids aren't really there, probably just the bodies wandering around mindlessly (the souls having passed on to Heaven like Frank did). So Reinhardt gets to 'rule' over a 'kingdom' of empty shells.

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Was Reinhardt and Maxmillian made into one being? Or....what?
Again: part of Reinhardt's eternal punishment. In life, Reinhardt trapped Frank McCrae inside Maximilian because the robot needed an A.I. So in hell, Reinhardt is forced to spend eternity in the same 'prison'. And since Reinhardt's ambition was to wield power (in life), his punishment in hell is to stand on top of the mountain and only watch - not be able to actually DO anything.

Or, to put it another way: Maximilian Schell plays a character who, at the end of the film, is trapped...in Maximilian's shell.
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Old December 4 2009, 10:22 PM   #33
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Old December 5 2009, 02:03 AM   #34
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What's next for Disney, a remake of Snowball Express or The Computer Who Wore Tennis Shoes?
A remake of Computer might actually be fun. I'd watch it.
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Old December 5 2009, 03:40 AM   #35
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I hope they keep the 'hell' scene. How many other films have you seen where you actually get to see the bad guy get what's coming to him at the end?
In that case, who's the flowy guy in the heavenly cathedral?
It was Frank McCrae (Kate's father), who had - in life - been trapped inside of Maximilian; Frank's brain was used as the "A.I." for the big robot. Reinhardt did this because Frank led the Cygnus crew in mutiny against him, and Reinhardt wanted revenge.

The angelic being we see is actually the soul of Frank being released and sent to his final reward in Heaven.

we see the Cygnus' robotified crew in "Hell," but why would they be there?
Part of Reinhardt's punishment, most likely. The humanoids aren't really there, probably just the bodies wandering around mindlessly (the souls having passed on to Heaven like Frank did). So Reinhardt gets to 'rule' over a 'kingdom' of empty shells.

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Was Reinhardt and Maxmillian made into one being? Or....what?
Again: part of Reinhardt's eternal punishment. In life, Reinhardt trapped Frank McCrae inside Maximilian because the robot needed an A.I. So in hell, Reinhardt is forced to spend eternity in the same 'prison'. And since Reinhardt's ambition was to wield power (in life), his punishment in hell is to stand on top of the mountain and only watch - not be able to actually DO anything.

Or, to put it another way: Maximilian Schell plays a character who, at the end of the film, is trapped...in Maximilian's shell.
I always looked upon that as Maxxy actually finding what he wants, since his arms were outstretched in triumph, it looked like.

I'm somewhere in between... I only saw it recently and liked it better than I thought I would. The acting's rather wooden but the effects hold up surprisingly well. The ending is as silly as ever.
You just described the Star Wars films there.
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Old December 5 2009, 11:49 AM   #36
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I loved The Black Hole as a kid and ranked it up there close to Star Wars at the time (I even remember getting all the action figures and both the photo and audio storybooks).


I thought the ending was pretty neat, although a lot of the symbolism was lost on me until I saw it again many years later.

Any kind of remake is likely to crank up the action quotient several degrees with the worst-case scenario being a PG-rated "Die Hard In Space," IMO...
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Old December 5 2009, 06:09 PM   #37
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Old December 6 2009, 12:30 AM   #38
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The Black Hole is one of my not-entirely-guilty pleasures. It's not an especially good movie, but there's still a lot to admire about it in terms of production design, effects, cool (if scientifically ludicrous) imagery and overall concepts. Considering some of the real-life robots we've seen coming from Japan, the 'cutesy' designs of Vincent and Bob now seem perfectly reasonable. If you're going to be cooped up in a tin can for months on end with a robot, would you want it to be small and friendly and rounded like Vincent, or hulking and scowling and equipped with sharp blades like Maximillian?

It also had great wirework (out of the entire film, the number of shots where wires are visible on the robots is literally a handful), and I always loved the neon laser effects - the glowing aesthetic of the animation as a whole, in fact. The film had a very distinctive, non-Star Wars-y look... which was rather ironic, since Disney were hoping it would be their Star Wars.
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Old December 6 2009, 12:40 AM   #39
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They BETTER keep the Cygnuss looking the same, that ship was quite a piece of work, inside and out. Maxmillion was a ansty robot, in a good way, he had no legs, but could move about anywhere, so having to fight that monster would be difficult, to say the least.

I'm just curious how Reinhart got into Max's body, anyhow. We just saw him holding the robot in his hands, and then we see his eyes in the visor.
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Old December 6 2009, 02:15 AM   #40
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I'm just curious how Reinhart got into Max's body, anyhow. We just saw him holding the robot in his hands, and then we see his eyes in the visor.
That scene either a) took place in Hell, so that it was a supernatural merging of Reinhardt and Maximillian, or b) was a hallucination, so that the merging was symbolic.
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Old December 6 2009, 05:09 AM   #41
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Old December 7 2009, 12:12 AM   #42
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I would also be interested in a remake, with a few conditions

1. They should keep B.O.B, V.I.N.C.E.N.T and Maximilian (Especially Maximillian)!

2.They should keep the music. The opening music was the first thing that came to mind when I saw this thread. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTuKQEJErGg

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Old December 7 2009, 12:17 AM   #43
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Barry's score is certainly a classic. I haven't even seen the film (yet), but I'm well aware of the score (especially the main theme).

Actually, why not just bring back John Barry? He hasn't worked since Enigma in 2001, but perhaps he could be brought out of retirement?
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Old December 7 2009, 03:47 AM   #44
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It was Frank McCrae (Kate's father), who had - in life - been trapped inside of Maximilian; Frank's brain was used as the "A.I." for the big robot. Reinhardt did this because Frank led the Cygnus crew in mutiny against him, and Reinhardt wanted revenge.

The angelic being we see is actually the soul of Frank being released and sent to his final reward in Heaven.

we see the Cygnus' robotified crew in "Hell," but why would they be there?
Part of Reinhardt's punishment, most likely. The humanoids aren't really there, probably just the bodies wandering around mindlessly (the souls having passed on to Heaven like Frank did). So Reinhardt gets to 'rule' over a 'kingdom' of empty shells.

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Was Reinhardt and Maxmillian made into one being? Or....what?
Again: part of Reinhardt's eternal punishment. In life, Reinhardt trapped Frank McCrae inside Maximilian because the robot needed an A.I..
Based on what I read elsewhere, there's no evidence that interpretation has any basis in the story at all. Not sure where the "Maximillian's brain was Frank McCrae's" came from. All the security robots have a.i., apparently not using human brains. Maximillain was more advanced a.i.

Another, more far fetched theory is that Maximillian was the real Reinhardt (his brain inside, because he'd have died of old age otherwise) and the human Reinhardt was a copy clone or robot...what the fuck was the person smoking when they came up with that one?

The other theory, that while the bad side of Reinhardt went to hell, the good side of Reinhardt went to heaven (he was the "angel" seen). HUH?
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Not sure where the "Maximillian's brain was Frank McCrae's" came from.
I agree it's speculation, but it does make sense. We already know that Frank tried to lead a mutiny against Reinhardt. So using Frank's brain for Maximilian would seem to be entirely within Reinhardt's character.

All the security robots have a.i., apparently not using human brains. Maximillain was more advanced a.i.
Then again, there's no proof that S.T.A.R., his troops, or Maximilian himself *weren't* simply lobotomized humans just like the rest of the Cygnus' crew... If the technology existed to lobotomize the crew, it probably also exists to use the extracted minds for computer AI's (which may yield 'better' such minds than if the robots simply had computer brains of their own).

The other theory, that while the bad side of Reinhardt went to hell, the good side of Reinhardt went to heaven (he was the "angel" seen). HUH?
I don't see how that could be possible either. Reinhardt clearly had NO good side.
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