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Old December 2 2009, 10:40 PM   #16
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Re: So Black Hole is officially being remade by Disney?

It's interesting to note that a Disney kids' movie had a cast made up mainly of 40+year olds. And a cast that included Ernest Borgnine, Anthony Perkins, Maximillian Schmell and the voice of Roddy McDowall. Apart from the cutesy wannabe 3PO & R2 robots, there's very little pandering to kids in it. Even the other robots are some sort of zombies and then there's that daring ending. Can't see that going into a modern movie.

Despite that, the great (for its day) SFX, lovely designs (the ship especially) and a score by John Barry, the original is less than the sum of its parts. Great ideas in it, to be sure, but not too well realised. I think it's a good movie to remake, insofar as you take the Steven Soderbergh and Ocean's 11 approach - don't remake a classic, remake a movie that can be improved on. If they did this as an adult-orientated movie, in the vein of Sunshine, it could be really interesting.
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Old December 2 2009, 11:20 PM   #17
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It's interesting to note that a Disney kids' movie had a cast made up mainly of 40+year olds.
It wasn't a kids' movie. It was Disney's first attempt to branch out into more adult fare -- the sort of thing that they eventually created the Touchstone Films label for. Quite a big deal was made at the time of how this was Disney's first PG-rated film, complete with violence and cuss words and scary stuff. (PG was a bigger deal back then in the days before PG-13 ratings existed and G ratings acquired a box-office-death stigma. These days, even a lot of kids' movies get one or two cuss words slipped in to get a PG, and the more intense films get PG-13, so we aren't surprised to see a PG rating on a kids' film. But in 1979, "Parental Guidance Suggested" actually meant something.)
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Old December 2 2009, 11:34 PM   #18
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^^

I was wondering it is viewed as a kid's movie myself....

You usually don't have a robot(Maximillian) drilling into someone (Anthony Perkins' character) in a kids movie...

On that same note, I always wonder when people call 'The Incredibles' a kids movie, when there are so many things that were 'adult' in that film....a reason, I like it so much.
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Old December 3 2009, 12:19 AM   #19
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I hope they keep the 'hell' scene. How many other films have you seen where you actually get to see the bad guy get what's coming to him at the end?
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Old December 3 2009, 12:37 AM   #20
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On that same note, I always wonder when people call 'The Incredibles' a kids movie, when there are so many things that were 'adult' in that film....a reason, I like it so much.
Well, the best kids' stories don't talk down to kids. But I think Pixar's movies tend to be family films in the truest sense of the word -- not just kiddie pictures that adults have to sit through, but films that have appeal to family members of all ages.
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Old December 3 2009, 03:02 AM   #21
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No, I definitely would not call The Black Hole a kid's movie...not that kid's can't enjoy it. Hell, when I was a kid I liked Logan's Run -- but that clearly was not a kid's movie either...
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Old December 3 2009, 03:07 AM   #22
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I definitely approve of a remake! I'd rather the story dealt more with the black hole itself and what it represented than the story of a mad scientist.

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Old December 3 2009, 03:25 AM   #23
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I remember reading some online review of the movie where the writer goes into the film's religious symbolism says the Palimino represents the true path to god. Or some craziness...I mean...way too read much into a somewhat crappy movie.

Yvette Mimieux was not very appealling. NUMBER #4 RULE OF SCI-FI MOVIES: The chick has to be appealling.

Actually on some level THE BLACK HOLE was intriguing, because Star Wars revolutionized space fantasy by borrowing pop culture sources and making them seem fresh. THE BLACK HOLE, even though pretty dark, was a Forbidden Planet-esque 1950's throwback in structure. Star Wars was an intro to the future of sci-fi films; The Black Hole was kind of dated even before it was released.
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Old December 3 2009, 06:30 AM   #24
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CHANGE the ending!!

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What the frak, I don't even know what the ending is supposed to be!

I vaguely remember this movie...I must have fallen asleep...pretty sure Disney can do better...
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Old December 3 2009, 01:32 PM   #25
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I LOVE the Black Hole. Admittedly the cutesy robots have dated a lot but I was a big fan of VINCENT and BOB when I was a kid - and I loved the action figure line too. The opening scene when they first discover the derelict is my favourite - with a fair bit of science and that really somber music.

The crew would be more interesting if made more 3D like the crew in Firefly and Dr McCrae was meant to be a scientist but was pretty much just 'the girl'. She evidenced no real scientific knowledge at all, which wsa why nobody noticed any difference after her brain got turned to swiss cheese. I liked the fact that some of the crew got offed as well. Dr Durant's death was pretty grim for a children's movie.

I read the novel years ago. The ending was a bit more abstract - more 2001 - the crew are crushed by the Black Hole but they somehow live on as a collective consciousness. Not much room for a sequel in there...
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Pick up the pace!!!! It was like being trapped in the event horizon!

I still remember the music though. When ever something is slow I begin humming it.
Oh yes. I hope they keep the music. I think it was absolutely perfect for that movie. I wouldn't change that one bit, and I hope they don't.

As for the rest of the movie, I love it despite it's faults. Maximillian Schell is just brilliant as Reinhardt, and Maximilian the robot is crazy evil and STILL sends shivers up my spine.

And who doesn't love Ernest Borgnine? Who I ask you?!

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Old December 3 2009, 04:07 PM   #27
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I hope they keep the 'hell' scene. How many other films have you seen where you actually get to see the bad guy get what's coming to him at the end?
In that case, who's the flowy guy in the heavenly cathedral? In 1979/80, I assumed that Reinhard's shaggy-haired evil side had gone to Black Hole Hell*, but his shaggy-haired good, de-crazified side had gone to Black Hole Heaven.

* Which doesn't really work: we see the Cygnus' robotified crew in "Hell," but why would they be there?
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Old December 3 2009, 08:53 PM   #28
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Pick up the pace!!!! It was like being trapped in the event horizon!
Whatever the pace, The Black Hole was like being trapped in a theater showing Event Horizon.

...or was it vice versa?
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Old December 3 2009, 09:04 PM   #29
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On that same note, I always wonder when people call 'The Incredibles' a kids movie, when there are so many things that were 'adult' in that film....a reason, I like it so much.
Well, the best kids' stories don't talk down to kids.
Very true...

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I hope they keep the 'hell' scene. How many other films have you seen where you actually get to see the bad guy get what's coming to him at the end?
I didn't get that scene:

Was Reinhardt and Maxmillian made into one being? Or....what?
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In any case I hope they don't change the design of Maximillian, there's no other robot so damn sinister looking.. also Cygnus was a magnificent design.
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