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Old May 9 2010, 05:29 AM   #511
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Re: A Hater Revisits nuWho

Bones, I still think you're too scathing at times. However, the last couple of reviews show you do the research and give it some thought. I would have flipped the scroes m'self, but what the hell? You can have your opinion, and it is a thought-through one. I wouldn't want this to be one of those slavish boards that drops people that disagree with the newspeak.

I won't always agree with you, but you should be able to say it.

If I was an American, I would at this point talk about "demaaahhcracy", freedums" and waving a flag. If anyone would like to fill in for me, go ahead!

(Note: the above paragraph was about those citizens who stand around in crowds and shout such sentiments. The posters here are much more levelheaded. Except when it comes to Dalek colours or similar... )
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Old May 9 2010, 08:33 AM   #512
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Re: A Hater Revisits nuWho

I don't mean to terrify anyone, but I would LOVE to see Graham Norton riding around in a purple Dalek.

Of course, once the phallic jokes start we can time-lock him, but still.
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Old May 9 2010, 03:47 PM   #513
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If I was an American, I would at this point talk about "demaaahhcracy", freedums" and waving a flag. If anyone would like to fill in for me, go ahead!
Demaaahhcracy! Freedums! E Plebnistas!

(I haven't a flag, good sir, so will it be acceptable for me to wave my underpantaloons?)
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Old May 10 2010, 05:02 AM   #514
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*stares at the Brits blankly*
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Old May 10 2010, 05:20 AM   #515
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Bones, I still think you're too scathing at times. However, the last couple of reviews show you do the research and give it some thought. I would have flipped the scroes m'self, but what the hell? You can have your opinion, and it is a thought-through one. I wouldn't want this to be one of those slavish boards that drops people that disagree with the newspeak.

I won't always agree with you, but you should be able to say it.
That's very sweet of you. I feel happier for reading that.

So, it'll likely be a while before I get another review done, but I've had another idea for a fun topic where we can all join in. What we do is, we all watch a certain classic Who story each week, and discuss them. Then the person who chose last chooses the next person to choose the story. Hopefully we'd end up watching a wide variety of episodes and have fun discussion. Anyone up for joining in with that?
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Old May 10 2010, 05:29 AM   #516
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^ intreresting idea

Last year I began watching Classic Who episodes from the start via this website but can't remember it anymore, pity cause they had a lot of stories basicall nearly all that the BBC had found.
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Old May 10 2010, 06:54 AM   #517
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Australis wrote: View Post
Bones, I still think you're too scathing at times. However, the last couple of reviews show you do the research and give it some thought. I would have flipped the scroes m'self, but what the hell? You can have your opinion, and it is a thought-through one. I wouldn't want this to be one of those slavish boards that drops people that disagree with the newspeak.

I won't always agree with you, but you should be able to say it.
That's very sweet of you. I feel happier for reading that.

So, it'll likely be a while before I get another review done, but I've had another idea for a fun topic where we can all join in. What we do is, we all watch a certain classic Who story each week, and discuss them. Then the person who chose last chooses the next person to choose the story. Hopefully we'd end up watching a wide variety of episodes and have fun discussion. Anyone up for joining in with that?
Oy!

I've been supportive, too, and I don't recall any lovey-dovey pillow talk thrown in my direction, you spoon-headed minx!

And I like that idea. I've been working my way through classic Who episodes slowly over the last several months and don't know anyone sane enough to have a decent conversation about them.
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Old May 10 2010, 06:20 PM   #518
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Oy!

I've been supportive, too, and I don't recall any lovey-dovey pillow talk thrown in my direction, you spoon-headed minx!
Oh. But of course. I love you too
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And I like that idea. I've been working my way through classic Who episodes slowly over the last several months and don't know anyone sane enough to have a decent conversation about them.
Excellent. There's three people at least then. I'll start up a topic soon.
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Old May 10 2010, 11:20 PM   #519
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Oy!

I've been supportive, too, and I don't recall any lovey-dovey pillow talk thrown in my direction, you spoon-headed minx!
Oh. But of course. I love you too
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And I like that idea. I've been working my way through classic Who episodes slowly over the last several months and don't know anyone sane enough to have a decent conversation about them.
Excellent. There's three people at least then. I'll start up a topic soon.
Count me in: I love Hartnell, but not quite as much as Troughton. Pertwee was the Doctor when I was six, and then Tom entranced me...
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Old May 12 2010, 02:44 AM   #520
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Right, I think I'll start up the topic on Sunday. Putting it on the day after new Who airs roughly makes sense to me. I'm planning on making the first story The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. If anyone wants to watch it but don't think they can, PM me.
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Old May 13 2010, 03:36 PM   #521
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I'm new to these boards, but a friend recommended your reviewers as being well written, thought provoking and entertaining. In this, he was spot on.

Good luck with the exams and remained assured that you do have an appreciative audience.
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Old May 13 2010, 03:42 PM   #522
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Thanks
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Old May 13 2010, 05:16 PM   #523
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There are a couple of pieces of information you may not be aware of – and if you are I apologise for telling you things you already know but who knows, there may be other folks reading these splendid reviews who may not.

Firstly, Murray Gold doesn’t compose his music after the episode has been recorded and edited the way a normal composer, say John Williams, does. According to the book Timeless Adventures - How Doctor Who Conquered TV by Brian J Robb when Gold sets out to compose his music for a given episode all he has to go on is the script. No visuals, perhaps the occasional concept drawing, definitely no finished product to time and place his music against.

This presumably speeds up the production process but it is my own conviction that on occasion the director and editor are too tempted to cut the episode to suit the existing music, particularly if it happens to be one of Gold’s… shall we say …lush-er numbers. It is for this reason, I posit, that supposedly humorous scenes go on that little bit too long and kill the joke, because Murray’s doing “comedy “ or climactic scenes that would benefit from a bit of silence have pianos pounding on the soundtrack.


It’s at its most noticeable, I think, when the whole climax of an episode seems to be built around the pre-existing music ( Planet of the Dead is the most egregious ) or where essential dialogue is drowned out for no good reason ( here, as an example, I defy anyone to make out what Donna is saying to Rose after she’s stepped into the machine in Turn Left as everyone involved in the sound-mixing ramps up the aural effects and the music to full, totally drowning the dialogue ). To be fair, Murray isn’t actually responsible for the volume at which is music is recorded onto the soundtrack – that’s in the hands of the sound-mixer, apparently.

Except that he is responsible for the sheer amount of music recorded. Gold has a problem with silence, it would seem – notice the way that the gaps in the opening theme, one that stood for thirty odd years as one of the great tv themes, were filled with a quick burst of cello come 2005 for example. It’s something he admits to doing because, apparently, he couldn’t understand why the audio gap existed and he just could not avoid the temptation to fill it. Basically, give Murray Gold the call to write music for a 44 minute episode of Dr Who and he’ll deliver 44 minutes of music. Like RonSeal, he does exactly what it says on the tin.

Secondly, RTD makes much of the self-defined principle of vertical plotting. What this means in his head is that you have your characters arranged vertically rather than horizontally as they exchange dialogue. So in Partners in Crime Donna and the Doctor dangle from a rope itself dangling from a workman’s lift which itself dangles from a large office building by one end because the rope at the other end has broken. And they proceed to have an info-dumping conversation. Russell loves doing that, apparently, and it is something of a habit of him to do this since it apparently relieves the monotony of normal conversation. Or something…Apparently no-one else does this and it’s a sign of his genius to judge from the way he bangs on about it in pretty much every Confidential that covers one of his stories. Presumably whilst he studied at Oxford doing English Literature no-one mentioned to him that Euripides was doing it two and a half thousand years ago

Of course, we mention RTD and Greek Classical theatre devices together at our peril these days…

But I digress. The problem is that this isn’t what vertical plotting means. Usually in cinema we are presented with a horizontal plot – Bruce Willis and his wife go to a Christmas party, some villains break in, Bruce kills most of them, Alan Rickman falls to his death, Bruce and his wife go home. Cause precedes effect.

Vertical plotting, I believe, evolved in cinema as an evolution from montage - so that in a film like Memento the viewer is presented with fragments of various plots that may, or may not, intersect and inter-react and he or she has to connect them in a linear fashion in some way. Sometimes these connections are not horizontal.

However, Rusty was presumably not paying full attention that day they covered it in class , because Rusty thinks that it’s all about how he organises his characters spatially. Which it isn’t
This, of course, makes his self-proclamations of his genius utterly hilarious.
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Old May 14 2010, 08:11 AM   #524
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Gatchaman, is there another word for "vertical plotting"? Because I can't find any references for it in any of my exhaustively cursory searches, nor does Google return any hits on it in association with Russell T Davies -- which strikes me as curious if he's really such a fan of the technique, however misapplied.
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Gatchaman, is there another word for "vertical plotting"? Because I can't find any references for it in any of my exhaustively cursory searches, nor does Google return any hits on it in association with Russell T Davies -- which strikes me as curious if he's really such a fan of the technique, however misapplied.
I had to hunt for it too, to be honest, and found a rough definition on a film review site a couple of years ago when he first started banging on about it in reference to his plotting on Voyage of the Damned and Partners in Crime. Annoyingly - and isn't it always the way with these things ? - I can't find it now and like you if I put it into google I get invited to hire scaffolding poles.

He did big it up in the Confidential broadcast after PiC in the same interview where he was suggesting that the scene mentioned before where Donna and the Doctor dangle from the building would make a suitable example for a tv writing course as an example of vertical plotting. Maybe shortly after that someone gave him the correct definition so he dropped it from the repetoire ?
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