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Old December 12 2009, 08:31 AM   #151
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Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.
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Old December 12 2009, 02:44 PM   #152
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And, secondly: Whatever else you may think about that two-parter, Murray Gold's "Evolution of the Daleks" theme is WONDERFUL, as is the song "The Devil in Me."
Everything he writes for Who turns to ....... turns to..... it turns out great!
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Old December 12 2009, 03:21 PM   #153
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I can tolerate "Fear Her" and "Love & Monsters" (which I, too, thought had the potential to be a brilliant episode but failed), but that two-part story made me want to pull out my hair. Very few Doctor Who stories do that to me (The Gunfighters and The Underwater Menace also fit in that category).
Haha, I feel with you regarding The Gunfighters and, to a lesser degree, The Underwater Menace. In the former, the writers have this secret plan of driving their audience mad by having this stupid Western song play every 2 minutes and recount what just happened in the episode. They should just have made the story a two-parter instead.
In The Underwater Menace, just one stupid, pointless thing after another happens. So, Atlantis wasn't really destroyed but can be accessed through a mountain, they all speak English and they've somehow managed to contract a crazy scientist to lift up Atlantis out of the sea, who is really keen on destroying the world in the process? Ok...
But it's so over the top I just went along for the ride. It's all so silly I can't take it seriously or get upset about it.
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Old December 12 2009, 03:58 PM   #154
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Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.
Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.
Moffat has puled back from the fans altogether, you won't be seeing him posting anywhere 'til his run is over with.
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Old December 12 2009, 07:08 PM   #155
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Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.
Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.
Moffat has puled back from the fans altogether, you won't be seeing him posting anywhere 'til his run is over with.
Of course, now RTD has some time on his hands...

You never know.
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Old December 12 2009, 08:01 PM   #156
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RTDs will be on OG under another name slagging off Moffatt, or maybe he will join the Leisure Hive
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Old December 13 2009, 12:05 AM   #157
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Fear Her is the worst episode of the new series (although even it has a few nice moments- the TARDIS having to turn around, the doctor taking charge with the squabbling people etc)
No, that honor goes to "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks." I can tolerate "Fear Her" and "Love & Monsters" (which I, too, thought had the potential to be a brilliant episode but failed), but that two-part story made me want to pull out my hair. Very few Doctor Who stories do that to me (The Gunfighters and The Underwater Menace also fit in that category).
Almost the same here. I never got why people dislike "Fear her" so much.

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Is it because the storyline 'there's a monster in the closet' is a cliché or because it isn't plausible enough? Or because the girl "captures" everyone in her pictures? Or because she is possessed by the little alien life-form? I like the analogy that they are both lonely. Also, it's quite understandable why the girl is afraid of her father and tries to compensate that by drawing a picture of him the way she sees him. .
For me its the incredibly simplistic story, the substandard acting on show from most of the guest cast, the fact it looks like it was made for CBBC (its kiddier than every episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures) the incredible similarity to the Idiot Lantern that was only a few episodes earlier...oh and the Olympics bit with the Doctor carrying the torch was cringe worthy in the extreme!
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Old December 13 2009, 04:38 AM   #158
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RTDs will be on OG under another name slagging off Moffatt, or maybe he will join the Leisure Hive
Unlikely. Moffat and Davies like each other and like one-another's work. There's a reason RTD offered the gig to Moffat, after all.
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Old December 13 2009, 07:32 AM   #159
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Thanks, Sci. I'm sure no one knew that.
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Old December 13 2009, 07:48 AM   #160
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Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.
And you wouldn't be able to permaban him, either.
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Old December 13 2009, 11:18 AM   #161
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Some people have looooong memories!
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Old December 13 2009, 01:44 PM   #162
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Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.
Moffat has puled back from the fans altogether, you won't be seeing him posting anywhere 'til his run is over with.
Ah, too bad, not that I can't blame him.
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Old December 14 2009, 07:56 AM   #163
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I'm surprised to see it's only been 4 days since the previous review; it feels like longer. I see that after this episode there's 5 left before The Christmas Invasion, so I'll try and stagger it so I'll be able to make that the first one after The End of Time airs on New Year's Day. Then the whole Tennant era will be over before I start reviewing it.

The Long Game (**)

I usually need to put aside over 2 hours for each review of this, because it's not just watching the episode, it's also the writing up of the notes and trying to make it entertaining. But really, how can you make a review of this entertaining? When something's good you can gush about it, and when it's bad, you can criticise and nitpick. But this? It wasn't even boring as such, just almost ok. Mediocre.

So, they land in the year 200,000. The Doctor and Rose get out first, and the Doctor tells Rose where they are, so she can pretend to Adam that she's deduced it herself. Why? Why would the Doctor go along with that? In fact, the only in-universe reason I can think of for why the Doctor keeps acting like Rose is something special (because clearly, she's not) is that he fancies her. There. That's it. Dozens of human companions over the years, and now he's found one he fancies, and this makes him act like she's the greatest thing ever, to the detriment of whoever else happens to be around. Which is an immense disservice to a character with over 40 years of history before RTD and Julie Gardner came along.

Where was I? Oh yeah, then there's a comedy fainting which, no doubt, children will laugh at. I laughed when I first saw the TV Movie years ago, and the guy in the morgue faints. Maybe kids these days will laugh at that.

So, err, some fast food joints open on the space station they're on, the sonic screwdriver is used for theft, we see that Mr Scott (the new one, not the proper one - this isn't Knight Rider after all) appears to be the villain, only it's actually a big slimy ceiling mouth who has to live in a fridge and has been manipulating humans for 91 years.

Humans at the time all receive information through a hole in the head. A new hole that is, not like through your ears when you listen to an iPod. Adam wanders off on his own, and the Doctor doesn't really care because he doesn't fancy him.

There's just not much to say. Well, ok. The ending was a bit daft. If you're meant to only get to go to Floor 500 when you get "promoted", then how does the woman manage to just get in the lift and go up there to sort of save the day? If it's somewhere people aren't meant to go unless they're invited, then surely you'd seal it off. And then, when things start heating up, the way Rose and The Doctor being in shackles is solved is...Rose's shackles fall off. And they escape. Meh.

It was also irritating how easily and for how long the Doctor got away with pretending he's management, just because he had the psychic paper. At least have him need to do a bit of talking. Between the paper and the wand, it's just another excuse for lots of lazy writing.

But the worst thing is the treatment of Adam. He sees the future and faints, which isn't a good sign. So what does the Doctor do? He lets Adam wander off on his own. And then, when Adam, who seems to be a bit of an introvert nerd, is seduced into getting a head hole - because he does love information after all - rather than the Doctor thinking "what have I done, I shouldn't have left you alone", he just leaves him back in the past with a head that'll open up when someone clicks (though at least he'll never have to clear up his own sick again). And adding insult to injury, when Adam asks to carry on traveling with the Doctor, we get the line:
"I only take the best. I've got Rose."
I really question why anyone would prefer the Ninth Doctor to any of the others, let alone the Tenth.

But whatever. There's just not much to say about this episode. Easily the most forgettable so far. I almost gave it 2.5, which would put it on a par with The End of the World. That episode has a lot of plot flaws, but it was more memorable. This has fewer (though still some) plot flaws, but isn't memorable, and the treatment of Adam is enough to shave off another half a star.



Extraordinary screwdriver:
1. Stops plastic arm from receiving signal.
2. Disengages computerised lock on door.
3. Seems to be the only tool you need while fixing a time machine.
4. Even opens conventional doors.
5. Helps "patch in the radar [and] link it back 12 hours so it can follow the flight of that spaceship". You mean your screwdriver can't?
6. Helps steal money from a cash machine in the year 200,000. Maybe they should have kept chip and pin.
7. Helps open shackles in the year 200,000. For when you're not lucky enough to have them just fall off.
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Old December 15 2009, 12:43 AM   #164
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Am wondering do you plan to watch all of Doctor Who 2005-2009 ? or just some of it because so far you seem to dislike the show heavily though don't get me wrong, I find all of this self torture as funny as the next guy
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Old December 15 2009, 12:59 AM   #165
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Weirdly I have a soft spot for The Long Game, which is odd as I realise most people don't like it.

Maybe its the fact its the future, maybe it's because Simon Pegg's in it, maybe it's because neither the Doctor nor Rose save the day, maybe it's because Adam gets a hole in the head? It isn't just for the gorgeous Suki or Tamsin Greig being a very sexy nurse (seriously she can plonk a hole in my head anytime!)

^^ One point re Rose. Now I'm not the biggest fan of the 'isn't she the most wonderful companion ever' thing, nor that the Doctor adores her so much...but...the one and only reason I think it works is this; the doctor met her immediately after the Timewar, immediately after the destruction of his race, at a time when he was vulnerable, wrakced with survivor guilt, devoid of hope...anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I can probably forgive him obsessing over the first bit of skirt he comes across
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