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Old November 21 2009, 09:31 PM   #1
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Empty Space?

Has there been a thread on empty space? It is a topic that has fasicinated me to no end. If a space is empty, how can it have stuff in it? Is empty space a metaphor? Where does the empty space go when it's full? Can empty space be saved? Can you have multiple empty spaces in one space? What is the cure for empty space? Are empty spaces transaminase? Is empty space big enough to get inside of?


These are all burning questions that may or may not have an answer...







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Old November 21 2009, 10:04 PM   #2
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Re: Empty Space?

Plus, of course, can any space really be considered "empty" if it has electromagnetism (light, cell reception, whatnot) and/or gravity in it -that's the big Q if you ask me!
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Old November 21 2009, 10:09 PM   #3
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Re: Empty Space?

Erm. a related question...

I have crossed legs... and now I don't... Where did they go?
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Old November 21 2009, 10:41 PM   #4
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Re: Empty Space?

There was an ancient philosopher named Parminides who argued that there was no such thing as "nothing" and this led to some very strange consequences in what real life was (I'll give you a hint, it isn't what it looks like. We're all actually one homogeneous substance). According to him, there is no empty space.
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Old November 21 2009, 10:56 PM   #5
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Re: Empty Space?

Alidar Jarok wrote: View Post
According to him, there is no empty space.
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Old November 21 2009, 10:58 PM   #6
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Re: Empty Space?

Personally, I go with Democritus. Nothing exists besides matter and void: everything else is opinion.
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Old November 21 2009, 11:04 PM   #7
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Re: Empty Space?

Alidar Jarok wrote: View Post
According to him, there is no empty space.
As opposed to non-empty space? If a space was occupied, it wouldn't be a space, now, would it?


I'm with Kiri-kin-tha on this. Nothing unreal exists.

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Erm. a related question...

I have crossed legs... and now I don't... Where did they go?
I have no idea, but now I have crossed legs on my mind. I think we need to keep looking at... I mean, for them. (Whew, that was close. [Pathetic, ZR, just pathetic - everyone])

Of course, keep your legs crossed all the time and the common peroneal nerve (at the head of the fibula of the crossed leg) can become compressed, leading to transient numbness.
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Old November 21 2009, 11:13 PM   #8
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Re: Empty Space?

The thing is that empty actually is an acronym:

Emergency
Makeshift
Place
To
Yield

In other words, an EMPTY drawer (for instance) is a place to store your stuff

-Where STUFF, of course, means:

Shit
That is
Used
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Filling
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Old November 22 2009, 12:12 AM   #9
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Re: Empty Space?

I traversed M-T Space once.
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Old November 22 2009, 12:14 AM   #10
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Re: Empty Space?

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So there.
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Old November 22 2009, 05:14 PM   #11
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Jadzia wrote: View Post
Erm. a related question...

I have crossed legs... and now I don't... Where did they go?


No, but there are a few scientific experiments we can try that may give us a clue. Somebody get me some Mayo, two hot towels, and bottle of Jack stat, let's do this.

My question is why you were looking there for empty space in the first place...




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Old November 22 2009, 05:18 PM   #12
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Re: Empty Space?

sojourner wrote: View Post
I traversed M-T Space once.



Did you get us a t-shirt?




Easy E (einstien), theorized that the only thing in empty space was gravity, and that was caused by a mass outside of the space. hmmmm whoda thunk.

here is the equation if you need it...
http://rafimoor.com/english/GRE3_files/image006.gif







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Old November 22 2009, 05:52 PM   #13
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Re: Empty Space?

The point I was making is that empty space is describing a relative state of an entity, not an existentially independent entity.

Much like crossed legs... I can create and destroy crossed legs. But they're not an independent entity, it is mutually exclusive with uncrossed legs. If I create crossed legs, I necessarily destroy uncrossed legs, and vice versa.

To say that space is empty is declaring a state of an entity, but it is relative to what? How are you defining unempty space?
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Old November 23 2009, 12:06 AM   #14
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Re: Empty Space?

Empty space is an abstract concept. All space is a quantum foam of virtual particles. Which means that Black Holes can evaporate, among other things.
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Old November 23 2009, 04:36 AM   #15
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empty space? I still can't figure out that Shrodinger's cat thing. The cat is alive and dead at the same time = parallel universes =
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