Guinan

nx1701g · October 13 2009, 09:23 AM

Recently I was reading Memory Alpha and came across this:

Memory Alpha:
Guinan was slated to appear in an episode planned for the unproduced fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise entitled "The Treatment". Under the assumed name "Claranna", she would have been acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. More of her background would have been revealed, including what she was doing there since the time of Mark Twain.

So does anyone know if this is true and, if it was, what do you think of the idea?

RichMerk · October 13 2009, 10:35 AM

I was always very curious about the exchange between Guinan and Q in that episode where Q sends the Enterprise to meet the Borg for the first time. (I forget the title.) Q seemed to know something about her, and the way she squared off against Q made it seem like she would actually be able to put up a fight. I always wondered if she was more than she seemed. In later episodes she was just an ordinary El-Aurian, but was something more planned originally? Maybe the ENT episodes could have shed a little light on this.

SFRabid · October 13 2009, 02:02 PM

It would have been nice to see her in ENT. I always thought they were going two different directions with Guinan. With the Q stories she is mysterious and maybe powerful. With the Borg her planet was taken and her people helpless and scattered.

JiNX-01 · October 13 2009, 03:37 PM

I don't know if it's true, but it would have been cool.

Reanok · October 13 2009, 04:10 PM

I like Guinan that would've been an interesting show to see.

Kegg · October 13 2009, 05:12 PM

It'd be head-scracthing to understand how she'd aged by ENT but had been basically the same age in the 19th, 23rd and 24th centuries.

As for the idea itself, it's really pure S4, an idea made for sheer fanboyism. As such I get the feeling I may have liked the result, much as I liked S4. (Indeed, honestly, most of what I've heard about S5 sounded like a swell idea.)

KimM · October 13 2009, 05:13 PM

I would also have liked to see Guinan make an appearance. I like the idea of her being mysterious and powerful and really really old.

RandyS · October 14 2009, 03:46 AM

oldstredshrtevr wrote:

I would also have liked to see Guinan make an appearance. I like the idea of her being mysterious and powerful and really really old.

Another vote here.

USS Excelsior · October 15 2009, 04:50 AM

And the different name would have been consistent with Q saying is that what you call yourself now in Q Who.

Another idea for an episode could be to find is to have another episode with Arik Soong where on his quest to now develop artificial lifeforms he finds Data's head, it gets turned on for the episode and switched off before they put it back in that cavern.

Wes-Cutting · October 15 2009, 04:57 PM

USS Excelsior wrote:

And the different name would have been consistent with Q saying is that what you call yourself now in Q Who.

Another idea for an episode could be to find is to have another episode with Arik Soong where on his quest to now develop artificial lifeforms he finds Data's head, it gets turned on for the episode and switched off before they put it back in that cavern.

That would have been a good two or three parter. You bring in Guinan/Q/Data all into one. Q and Guinan first meet and Data is woken up because Guinan knows where his head. She takes Soong to see what his children's child would make in a few centuries. And Q is there just cause he can be. Although I am not really sure where the Enterprise would be in the episode...

Finn · October 15 2009, 06:39 PM

USS Excelsior wrote:

And the different name would have been consistent with Q saying is that what you call yourself now in Q Who.

Another idea for an episode could be to find is to have another episode with Arik Soong where on his quest to now develop artificial lifeforms he finds Data's head, it gets turned on for the episode and switched off before they put it back in that cavern.

But they were certain nobody was in that cavern since the late 19th Century. But again, they didn't say how they determined that.

USS Excelsior · October 15 2009, 09:15 PM

You can imagine the outcry there would have been when accusing them of trying to force TNG into the show in any way possible, there was enough flack about the Ferengi and the Borg.

Maybe in that same arc we would see Q dealing with Guinan and interact with the Enterprise crew but to make it legitimate Q wouldn't mention his name.

Glacial · October 15 2009, 10:30 PM

I was most excited to hear about Shatner agreeing to do a Season 5 cameo as Chef. That would've been glorious.

FormerLurker · October 16 2009, 08:21 PM

I always got the feeling that Guinan was only with the El Aurians, not that she actually was one. So Soren lived to be about 150. Most of the races in ST live longer than humans do. But we know that Guinan is at least 600 years old, as she's over 100 in the 19th century. And is probably over 1000. She may have been depressed or something, and that's why she was trying to get into the Nexus.

Alrik · October 20 2009, 07:08 PM

FormerLurker wrote:

I always got the feeling that Guinan was only with the El Aurians, not that she actually was one. So Soren lived to be about 150. Most of the races in ST live longer than humans do. But we know that Guinan is at least 600 years old, as she's over 100 in the 19th century. And is probably over 1000. She may have been depressed or something, and that's why she was trying to get into the Nexus.

Small correction here, Guinan wasn't trying to get into the Nexus. The El Aurian ships got caught in the energy ribbon and sent out a distress call. That's why the E-B had to come to the rescue. She, as well as the other survivors, got beamed aboard just before the El Aurian ship blew up. It was their brief time within the ribbon that let them experience what the Nexus was all about, but when the transporter grabbed them, they were ripped back into reality.

October 13 2009, 10:35 AM	#2
RichMerk Captain Location: Southern California	Re: Guinan I was always very curious about the exchange between Guinan and Q in that episode where Q sends the Enterprise to meet the Borg for the first time. (I forget the title.) Q seemed to know something about her, and the way she squared off against Q made it seem like she would actually be able to put up a fight. I always wondered if she was more than she seemed. In later episodes she was just an ordinary El-Aurian, but was something more planned originally? Maybe the ENT episodes could have shed a little light on this. __________________ Banshee Squadron Fanfic, Art, and 3D Models The Star Trek Fanfic eBook Archive

October 13 2009, 02:02 PM	#3
SFRabid Klingon Food	Re: Guinan It would have been nice to see her in ENT. I always thought they were going two different directions with Guinan. With the Q stories she is mysterious and maybe powerful. With the Borg her planet was taken and her people helpless and scattered. __________________ No longer here.

October 13 2009, 03:37 PM	#4
JiNX-01 Asst. Chief Engineer NX01 Location: Under Cmdr. Tucker	Re: Guinan I don't know if it's true, but it would have been cool. __________________ I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. -- Neil Armstrong 1930-2012 --

October 13 2009, 04:10 PM	#5
Reanok Commodore	Re: Guinan I like Guinan that would've been an interesting show to see.

October 13 2009, 05:12 PM	#6
Kegg Rear Admiral Location: Ireland.	Re: Guinan It'd be head-scracthing to understand how she'd aged by ENT but had been basically the same age in the 19th, 23rd and 24th centuries. As for the idea itself, it's really pure S4, an idea made for sheer fanboyism. As such I get the feeling I may have liked the result, much as I liked S4. (Indeed, honestly, most of what I've heard about S5 sounded like a swell idea.) __________________ 'Spock is always right, even when he's wrong. It's the tone of voice, the supernatural reasonability; this is not a man like us; this is a god.' - Philip K. Dick

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October 13 2009, 05:13 PM	#7
KimM Rear Admiral Location: The poster formerly known as ORSE	Re: Guinan I would also have liked to see Guinan make an appearance. I like the idea of her being mysterious and powerful and really really old. __________________ Just one woman; doing what I can, with what I've got, where I'm at!

October 15 2009, 04:50 AM	#9
USS Excelsior Fleet Captain Location: Alpha Quadrant	Re: Guinan And the different name would have been consistent with Q saying is that what you call yourself now in Q Who. Another idea for an episode could be to find is to have another episode with Arik Soong where on his quest to now develop artificial lifeforms he finds Data's head, it gets turned on for the episode and switched off before they put it back in that cavern.

October 15 2009, 09:15 PM	#12
USS Excelsior Fleet Captain Location: Alpha Quadrant	Re: Guinan You can imagine the outcry there would have been when accusing them of trying to force TNG into the show in any way possible, there was enough flack about the Ferengi and the Borg. Maybe in that same arc we would see Q dealing with Guinan and interact with the Enterprise crew but to make it legitimate Q wouldn't mention his name.

October 15 2009, 10:30 PM	#13
Glacial Lieutenant	Re: Guinan I was most excited to hear about Shatner agreeing to do a Season 5 cameo as Chef. That would've been glorious. __________________ "Cap'n!" -- Trip Tucker, many many times

October 16 2009, 08:21 PM	#14
FormerLurker Captain	Re: Guinan I always got the feeling that Guinan was only with the El Aurians, not that she actually was one. So Soren lived to be about 150. Most of the races in ST live longer than humans do. But we know that Guinan is at least 600 years old, as she's over 100 in the 19th century. And is probably over 1000. She may have been depressed or something, and that's why she was trying to get into the Nexus.