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RobertScorpio · October 28 2009, 04:35 PM

Was watching Enterprise this weekend. It was the episode where the Feringi board the ship. Not that it was a bad episode, it was okay, but it reminded me why I grew away from this show..

THIS show was supposed to be, at least I thought, about Earth's first ventures into space, with a crew that had no idea what they were going to come across because they were the first. But as we got further into season one, and season two, they just became another starfleet crew..GONE was any notion of doing this the first time..GONE was the innocent nature of the crew..GONE was the attempt to set this show apart from the others..GONE GONE GONE...

I loved Broken Bow as a pilot. I thought it set them up very good...but the show, IMO, lost its way and never became the show I wanted, and thought, it would be...a show about humanity losing its "virginity" in space...

Rob

JiNX-01 · October 28 2009, 05:02 PM

RobertScorpio wrote:

Was watching Enterprise this weekend. It was the episode where the Feringi board the ship. Not that it was a bad episode, it was okay, but it reminded me why I grew away from this show..

THIS show was supposed to be, at least I thought, about Earth's first ventures into space, with a crew that had no idea what they were going to come across because they were the first. But as we got further into season one, and season two, they just became another starfleet crew..GONE was any notion of doing this the first time..GONE was the innocent nature of the crew..GONE was the attempt to set this show apart from the others..GONE GONE GONE...

I loved Broken Bow as a pilot. I thought it set them up very good...but the show, IMO, lost its way and never became the show I wanted, and thought, it would be...a show about humanity losing its "virginity" in space...

Rob

Yeah, Enterprise wasn't what I was expecting either. I've said before I was looking for a "Star Trek: The Right Stuff" kind of show. Brash astronauts, lots of real danger, an all-human crew (and yeah, they can have sex with each other) and situations where the danger is real and people are killed or maimed. The ship has to return to Earth once in a while to report to their superiors (no instantaneous communications), restock supplies (no precursors to replicators), take some leave and visit family, and replace dead and maimed crew members (no alien superdoctor on board) and after a few weeks (and yeah, we also get to see the main cast at home), the ship heads off for a different region of space.

However, my affection for the characters helped me get past my expectations, and I learned to take the not so-good with the good and the occasional terrific.

Joel_Kirk · October 28 2009, 08:47 PM

Robert, Jinx...

I'm actually still new to the show having watched an episode here and there, and reading Surak's Soul...

(Actually, I felt the pilot was done in a 'by the numbers' way...not in a sense of 'What can we do that hasn't been done before'?)

The first couple of episodes have a sense that the team behind-the-scenes definitely had a creative burnout, but there are some good ideas there....

Middleman · October 28 2009, 08:56 PM

JiNX-01 wrote:

... and the occasional terrific.

Occasional???!!!!

RobertScorpio · October 28 2009, 08:58 PM

Middleman wrote:

JiNX-01 wrote:

... and the occasional terrific.

Occasional???!!!!

Well now, Middleman, this is the Enterprise forum. So a grading scale that skewers up must be expected...

Rob

Middleman · October 28 2009, 09:00 PM

RobertScorpio wrote:

Middleman wrote:

JiNX-01 wrote:

... and the occasional terrific.

Occasional???!!!!

Well now, Middleman, this is the Enterprise forum. So a grading scale that skewers up must be expected...

Rob

JiNX would probably get my point, as I'm sure she knows me by now. The terrific episodes were more than just occasional.

RobertScorpio · October 28 2009, 09:01 PM

Middleman wrote:

RobertScorpio wrote:

Middleman wrote:

Occasional???!!!!

Well now, Middleman, this is the Enterprise forum. So a grading scale that skewers up must be expected...

Rob

JiNX would probably get my point, as I'm sure she knows me by now. The terrific episodes were more than just occasional.

And you make my point doubly!!

Rob

JiNX-01 · October 28 2009, 09:10 PM

Middleman wrote:

JiNX-01 wrote:

... and the occasional terrific.

Occasional???!!!!

... yes, occasional ... episodes like Similitude, Cogenitor, IaMD, Terra Prime, Shuttlepod One ...

Terrific bears the burden of a higher standard...

Glacial · October 28 2009, 09:23 PM

Just keep in mind -- it's supposed to be old-school sci-fi adventure! Like TOS, Enterprise is not serious business, except those excellent episodes when it is.

RobertScorpio · October 28 2009, 09:26 PM

Glacial wrote:

Just keep in mind -- it's supposed to be old-school sci-fi adventure! Like TOS, Enterprise is not serious business, except those excellent episodes when it is.

totally true...Im not going to sit here and say the other shows were better. All these TREK shows appeal to different kinds of fans, from all walks of life. And thats actually a good thing...

The only thing we all have to agree on is that William Shatner is God..thats all...

Rob

Glacial · October 28 2009, 09:39 PM

RobertScorpio wrote:

The only thing we all have to agree on is that William Shatner is God..thats all...

Rob

You're damn right there, sir!

My biggest disappointment about ENT not getting a fifth season was that he'd agreed to put in a cameo. Turns out Chef's last name was Kirk.

RobertScorpio · October 28 2009, 09:46 PM

Glacial wrote:

RobertScorpio wrote:

The only thing we all have to agree on is that William Shatner is God..thats all...

Rob

You're damn right there, sir!

My biggest disappointment about ENT not getting a fifth season was that he'd agreed to put in a cameo. Turns out Chef's last name was Kirk.

maybe he was the NEXT IRON CHEF!!!

Rob

Glacial · October 29 2009, 03:22 AM

RobertScorpio wrote:

maybe he was the NEXT IRON CHEF!!!

Of course, could it hold up to... Chef DENNY CRANE?

teacake · November 7 2009, 08:25 AM

RobertScorpio wrote:

Was watching Enterprise this weekend. It was the episode where the Feringi board the ship. Not that it was a bad episode, it was okay, but it reminded me why I grew away from this show..

THIS show was supposed to be, at least I thought, about Earth's first ventures into space, with a crew that had no idea what they were going to come across because they were the first. But as we got further into season one, and season two, they just became another starfleet crew..GONE was any notion of doing this the first time..GONE was the innocent nature of the crew..GONE was the attempt to set this show apart from the others..GONE GONE GONE...

To be replaced by an increasing jadedness.

Worked for me.

commodore64 · November 7 2009, 08:07 PM

The series overall had a few problems which I think ultimately led to its demise, but overall it was really enjoyable. For the first time since TOS, I wasn't exactly sure what to expect and liked pretty much all the characters. Enterprise, as Jinx mentioned, also had some of the best Star Trek episodes. I wouldn't necessarily name the ones she did, but I think when Enterprise was at its best, it was excellent. When they lost their way on storytelling and worried about silly things, they stunk.

Jinx, great avatar! Beautiful.

P.S. William Shatner is not God. That is reserved for Leonard Nimoy.

October 28 2009, 04:35 PM	#1
RobertScorpio Pariah Location: San Diego	Two seasoned Was watching Enterprise this weekend. It was the episode where the Feringi board the ship. Not that it was a bad episode, it was okay, but it reminded me why I grew away from this show.. THIS show was supposed to be, at least I thought, about Earth's first ventures into space, with a crew that had no idea what they were going to come across because they were the first. But as we got further into season one, and season two, they just became another starfleet crew..GONE was any notion of doing this the first time..GONE was the innocent nature of the crew..GONE was the attempt to set this show apart from the others..GONE GONE GONE... I loved Broken Bow as a pilot. I thought it set them up very good...but the show, IMO, lost its way and never became the show I wanted, and thought, it would be...a show about humanity losing its "virginity" in space... Rob

October 28 2009, 08:47 PM	#3
Joel_Kirk Commodore Location: San Francisco...	Re: Two seasoned Robert, Jinx... I'm actually still new to the show having watched an episode here and there, and reading Surak's Soul... (Actually, I felt the pilot was done in a 'by the numbers' way...not in a sense of 'What can we do that hasn't been done before'?) The first couple of episodes have a sense that the team behind-the-scenes definitely had a creative burnout, but there are some good ideas there.... __________________ 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joel_Kirk 2.Experiences As a Black Male on Trektoday

October 28 2009, 09:23 PM	#9
Glacial Lieutenant	Re: Two seasoned Just keep in mind -- it's supposed to be old-school sci-fi adventure! Like TOS, Enterprise is not serious business, except those excellent episodes when it is. __________________ "Cap'n!" -- Trip Tucker, many many times

November 7 2009, 08:07 PM	#15
commodore64 Vice Admiral Location: Communist Portland	Re: Two seasoned The series overall had a few problems which I think ultimately led to its demise, but overall it was really enjoyable. For the first time since TOS, I wasn't exactly sure what to expect and liked pretty much all the characters. Enterprise, as Jinx mentioned, also had some of the best Star Trek episodes. I wouldn't necessarily name the ones she did, but I think when Enterprise was at its best, it was excellent. When they lost their way on storytelling and worried about silly things, they stunk. Jinx, great avatar! Beautiful. P.S. William Shatner is not God. That is reserved for Leonard Nimoy. __________________ Thanks, HR!

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