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Old November 15 2009, 09:46 PM   #76
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Re: Spider-Man Post Brand New Day

I think Steve may have meant tempered by the others, not quite the uni-view Tony adopted and has adopted in the past. On a basic level, he had no problem with Tony running things, but felt the caution Tony abandoned.
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Old November 15 2009, 10:41 PM   #77
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All the more reason to put Steve in charge of SHIELD, to keep those racist baseline humans in check from ruining everything.
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Old November 16 2009, 01:55 AM   #78
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I came into JMS Spider-Man late in the game as I has just come off a ten-year break from reading comics, and my first arc of his was the one where Peter, MJ and Aunt May move into Avengers Tower. I kept buying for a few issues after that and then switched to the MK book. I would glance through ASM on the shelf on occasion to see if there was anything there that appealed to me, but I rarely wanted to buy it.

The whole "The Other" thing turned me off JMS' ASM for good except for the last three issues of his Civil War arc.

As for American Son, like I said, I bought it mostly because of the Dark Reign aspects as I'm really enjoying that storyline, but I felt that it was a very strong story for Harry and gave me a strong feel for his place in the new storyline. I liked the bond that Peter feels with Harry and despite Harry's continued bizzare hatred of Spider-Man,
I came away from the story liking Harry as a character more than I ever did before his "death".
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Old November 16 2009, 03:01 AM   #79
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Yeah, the movies did a lot of work to making Harry more likable as a character. His character since BND is clearly influenced by James Franco.

I do think American Son wasn't very good and should've been used to permanently make Dark Reign a part of the Spideyverse with Harry accepting Norman's offer, being on the Dark Avengers and averting the whole "Norman slept with Lily" BS.
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Old November 16 2009, 03:17 AM   #80
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Hmm, first Gwen, now Lily, that Norman really gets around doesn't he? How many kids has he fathered already? Four?
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Old November 16 2009, 03:45 AM   #81
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Four, one yet to be born.

He also tried to make Peter his son once, via brainwashing.
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Old November 16 2009, 05:44 AM   #82
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Insane though I know he was, and even though I know that Peter is not that way, I would dearly love to see Peter give Harry a rash of s*** for the android parents, presuming that still happened. Has it been mentioned since BND began? Maybe, even absent knowing who Peter was, Harry created the droids to try and get Spidey's ID out of Peter. If its gone, I wouldn't miss the storyline. I just wish Gabriel and Sarah went with it.
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Old November 16 2009, 01:43 PM   #83
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It happened, Peter had a flashback to it in the backup story of when Harry came and told Peter he was "back". It was explained that Norman had Harry's body taken to Europe and put a fake cloned body in the morgue. Basically he saved Harry the way Harry saved Norman when Norman first "died". The Goblin formula didn't kill him but put him in a coma he healed from. I'm guessing Norman neutralized the formula in Harry after he recovered because he doesn't have powers anymore.

But Peter decided that after everything they've both been through, he was tired of the Parker/Osborn war with Harry (Harry doesn't remember what happened to him in his last stint as the Goblin) and figured if Harry wanted to be pals again Peter would go with it.
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Old November 17 2009, 01:22 AM   #84
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Speaking of which there was a funny little reference to the Norman/Gwen kids in American Son. At one point Norman says who says Harry is my only child? And on another page they show Norman testing his new Super Soldier / Goblin formula and in the background you can see a deformed human in a tube with "G. STACY" on the label.
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Old November 17 2009, 01:52 AM   #85
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Yeah, either it's Gabriel or he dug up and experimented on George...
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Old November 17 2009, 04:03 AM   #86
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Or Gwen Stacy! Or one of her many clones from the Clone Saga!
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Old November 18 2009, 04:17 AM   #87
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I doubt this will ever happen any time soon...but May Parker (as in the baby Mary Jane gave birth too and told it was stillborn) is still out there somewhere. That nurse who delivered it gave it to Norman who was waiting on the docks (I think he was waiting on the docks) and could be somewhere in Europe still. I've always been really interested to see May be brought in regular continuity.
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Old November 18 2009, 04:42 AM   #88
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Given the insanely wonky time-line... is Peter supposed to be magically de-aged by the devil deal?... how old would their baby be?
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Old November 18 2009, 04:57 AM   #89
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Peter's apparent age was inconsistent even before Brand New Day. Straczynski wrote him as a mature adult in his late 20s, a husband, a teacher, a former grad student, a man with a lot of experience and history. But at the same time, Paul Jenkins' characterization of Peter/Spidey made him seem more juvenile in the way he talked and acted. And these were supposed to be in the same continuity at the same time.
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Old November 18 2009, 05:26 AM   #90
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After all this time, Peter should be around 28-29. I'd prefer 30 but that scares off the kiddies.
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