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Old October 26 2009, 02:03 AM   #61
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Re: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing - Discuss (SPOILERS)

Can one just jump into this without having read any ENT novels?
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Old October 26 2009, 02:04 AM   #62
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I'd really, really recommend reading TGTMD and KM first. They're cliffhangered right into each other.
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Old October 26 2009, 03:07 AM   #63
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Can one just jump into this without having read any ENT novels?
Yes, but your reading experience will be improved if you read The Good That Men Do and Kobayashi Maru first.
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Old October 26 2009, 03:32 PM   #64
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Just finished the book. A satisfying read overall. I would've liked a bit less Vulcan debate (that goes nowhere, again and again) and a bit more Enterprise in the thick of things (I think Ulysses made it home faster than Archer and his crew -- where were they? The Delta Quadrant?) I enjoyed all of the scenes with the Commodore and his fleet taking the battle back to the Romulans and the easter eggs/continuity "fixes" that littered the story.

The weakest part of the book -- in my opinion -- are the Trip segments. The character keeps getting shoe-horned into wilder and wilder scenarios with each passing book. In the Good That Men Do, his situation stretched credibility but the reader can go along with it because the writers were trying to fix the awful ENT finale in the best way that they could. His decision toward the end of Raptor's Wing, though -- completely absurd. Even his explanation to T'Pol doesn't hold any water. Enough is enough with these endless, nonsensical delays. Just reunite Trip with the Enterprise crew already.
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Old October 26 2009, 04:01 PM   #65
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^ IIRC The Good That Men Do establishes that it was thought Trip died until it was uncovered by Jake & Nog. I guess it is possible Trip could come back but tell Archer & co. to keep it off the record.
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Old October 26 2009, 04:15 PM   #66
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They could always just do what they are (apparently) doing in Voyager, and just change his name on all the records.
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Old October 26 2009, 04:52 PM   #67
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I think anything would be preferrable to this "From Romulus, With Love" spy stuff. ONE book would have been fine -- but we're now into a third book of Trip getting put into situations where he is completely out of his depth, doing things completely out of character, and having no resolution to this plot thread in sight. By now, the tips of his faux ears have to itch like crazy, right?
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Old October 26 2009, 06:20 PM   #68
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Re: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing - Discuss (SPOILERS)

...Does it seem like the word 'dour' is repeated an awful lot in this book? As in, too many times? Or am I just over-reacting?
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Old October 26 2009, 09:53 PM   #69
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Just finished the book. A satisfying read overall. I would've liked a bit less Vulcan debate (that goes nowhere, again and again) and a bit more Enterprise in the thick of things (I think Ulysses made it home faster than Archer and his crew -- where were they? The Delta Quadrant?)
It's set in the 22nd Century, 110 years before TOS, in areas of space that even in TOS were considered far away. It's much more realistic to have the NX-01 be months away from Earth than to have it be the five-second trip it so often was in ENT.
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Old October 27 2009, 06:06 AM   #70
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Re: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing - Discuss (SPOILERS)

Question: The back cover blurb mentions a war that broke out on Earth at the start of the 22nd century. What war is this? It can't be World War III, which ended in 2053. And I highly doubt there could ever have been a fourth...
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Old October 27 2009, 06:30 PM   #71
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34 pages into it so far and I have two thoughts:

1. Someone's going to complain about the idea of the United Earth Starfleet having an orbital space dock named after President Obama, but I think it's completely reasonable of Mister Martin to include that detail. Barack Obama is a historic President -- the first African-American President of the United States. Whatever else he does, that's something he'll always be remembered for, and it certainly ranks up there with accomplishments that we've seen ships and stations named for in Star Trek in the past.
Where was this reference? I misssed it.
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Old October 27 2009, 06:55 PM   #72
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Question: The back cover blurb mentions a war that broke out on Earth at the start of the 22nd century. What war is this? It can't be World War III, which ended in 2053. And I highly doubt there could ever have been a fourth...
The reproductions of the back cover seem to have been erroneous. My back cover says that a war broke out on Earth in the 21st Century -- obviously a reference to World War III.

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34 pages into it so far and I have two thoughts:

1. Someone's going to complain about the idea of the United Earth Starfleet having an orbital space dock named after President Obama, but I think it's completely reasonable of Mister Martin to include that detail. Barack Obama is a historic President -- the first African-American President of the United States. Whatever else he does, that's something he'll always be remembered for, and it certainly ranks up there with accomplishments that we've seen ships and stations named for in Star Trek in the past.
Where was this reference? I misssed it.
Page 26, start of Chapter Four.

From "The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing" wrote:
Newstime, Hoshi thought. She settled back in the comm station's padded chair, expecting to see the latest news of the unfolding Romulan conflict, just as the civilian world back home on Earth was receiving it.

What she didn't expect to see was Enterprise orbiting a half-sunlit Earth. Judging from the latticework of support structures visible on the screen's right side, the image must have been made aboard the McKinley drydock station, or perhaps the Obama facility.
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Old October 27 2009, 07:15 PM   #73
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34 pages into it so far and I have two thoughts:

1. Someone's going to complain about the idea of the United Earth Starfleet having an orbital space dock named after President Obama, but I think it's completely reasonable of Mister Martin to include that detail. Barack Obama is a historic President -- the first African-American President of the United States. Whatever else he does, that's something he'll always be remembered for, and it certainly ranks up there with accomplishments that we've seen ships and stations named for in Star Trek in the past.
Where was this reference? I misssed it.
There were other sublte references to real-life events...or maybe it's just me.

I recall the Praetor was continuing involvement in an intractable conflict his father had originally started, for one.
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Old October 28 2009, 05:14 AM   #74
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Re: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing - Discuss (SPOILERS)

I'm about halfway through the book now. I like it a lot.

I mean, any Trek novel that manages to quote Yogi Berra is all right in my book!

(One thing, though: When is Columbia due to 'disappear', a la the Destiny trilogy? Shouldn't that be about ready to happen?)
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Old October 28 2009, 05:57 AM   #75
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I'm halfway through this book and it's one of the best Startrek Enterprise books I've read in the relaunch series.It's going to be alongtime wait for the next book to come out in 2011.
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