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View Poll Results: Grade Air Part 1 and Air Part 2 – 2 Hour Premier
9 Chevrons – Out of this Universe (A+) 15 8.72%
8 Chevrons – Beyond the known Galaxies 55 31.98%
7 Chevrons – In the Milky Way Galaxy 54 31.40%
6 Chevrons – Within our Solar System 16 9.30%
5 Chevrons – Haven’t got past Earth (Average) 10 5.81%
4 Chevrons – No flying machines at all 10 5.81%
3 Chevrons – Pre-Industrial 6 3.49%
2 Chevrons – Dark Ages 3 1.74%
1 Chevron – Throwing rocks and stones here 1 0.58%
Cannot Establish Lock – Doesn’t even exist (F) 2 1.16%
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Old October 5 2009, 04:12 AM   #406
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Re: SG-U – Air I and II (1x01/02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

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Well, of course, but Rush seems to be as qualified as Daniel Jackson, and he seems as if he's been as qualified as Dr. Jackson for a while. So why did we never hear of him in the later years of SG-1 or Atlantis? I mean, obviously, it's because the writers didn't think of his character until this series, but, really? This guy has been around and the SGC has been relying on idiots like Dr. Lee? Sloppy writing.
First off, he's been on Icurus base for two years. Second, the man watched his wife waste away from cancer, clearly is not okay, and has not been with it for a long while. He would have had to spend a lot of time away from work. Third, you don't seriously think the entire Stargate program consists of 50 or so people do you. Just because we didn't see someone on camera doesn't mean they weren't there.
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Old October 5 2009, 04:15 AM   #407
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The reason we haven't heard about this guy before is because this is the first episode.
Well, of course, but Rush seems to be as qualified as Daniel Jackson, and he seems as if he's been as qualified as Dr. Jackson for a while. So why did we never hear of him in the later years of SG-1 or Atlantis? I mean, obviously, it's because the writers didn't think of his character until this series, but, really?
Yeah, really

This guy has been around and the SGC has been relying on idiots like Dr. Lee? Sloppy writing.
They haven't just relied on Dr. Lee. On screen, they've relied on Dr. Jackson, Col. Carter, Doctor McKay, and Dr. Zelenka -- because they were regular main characters getting paid to act in the series and which served the ends of the story. Off screen, I'm sure they relied upon the experience and knowledge of others, none of which were so essential to telling the story that they needed to be in an episode.

It is not sloppy writing to not introduce a character in SG-1 or Atlantis that had absolutely nothing to do with either television show.

One may as well look at Doctor Beckett and ask "who the hell is this guy and why didn't they drop his name in SG-1 prior to Atlantis starting? The only doctor we know about is Dr. Fraisier"

Dr. Rush was not mentioned in Stargate SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis because Stargate Universe did not exist yet. It really is that simple.


..Or we could do it the Star Trek way and come up with some explanation that the male hippy in the van in the SG-1 episode "1969" was Doctor Rush and while driving to New York with the SG-1 team, Doctor Jackson slipped and told him something about the Ancients, inspiring this guy to one day learn about the sciences, and eventually join the Stargate program. -- But that would dumb.
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Old October 5 2009, 05:00 AM   #408
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Re: SG-U – Air I and II (1x01/02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I gave it 3 chevrons - I'm guessing that's about a C-? I wasn't impressed by the writing, the editing, and none of the characters appeal to me. Eli, especially, is f***ing annoying, the very worst "Wesley" possible; it didn't help that he's here basically because he should've been fighting the Kodan Armada. So much for "fresh."

I just can't figure what Wright and Cooper were thinking; they've taken every bad clich้ from the past 35 years of televised sci-fi and thrown them into the pot; it's Lost in Space, Voyager and Space:1999 without either fun or appealing characters. Are we going to be stuck with the "this week the gate is opening for 72 hours on Planet Greblock" plot device, or will they see, hopefully in less than two weeks, that that's going to get very, very old?

SGU is not going to get me to fret about deciding to watch Dollhouse instead.
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Old October 5 2009, 05:50 AM   #409
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Ohhh, that is a good point, what if Rush was the one that called the Lucien Alliance?
You cannot be serious. Rush had run out of ideas of how to dial using the 9th chevron. It was Eli that wanted to try using Earth as the origin symbol. Why would Rush call in an assault if he wasn't 100% sure of himself to be able to dial out? No it does not make sense.
He was convinced Eli's strategy would work, and it would be the only way to force everybody through the stargate.

Honestly, the character would have to be pretty stupid to set the gate to the nine-digit-symbol during the emergency unless that was the plan all along (with him having a good idea of what was over there).
Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole. He doesn't have to be a traitor.

Now I realize that SG1 and SGA characterization haven't been very deep in the past , so it may be a reasonable logic jump from that perspective. But I doubt the writers are going down that road.
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Old October 5 2009, 06:45 AM   #410
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7 Chevrons. I started at 9, there's good likable and unlikable (deliberately unlikable) characters, and an interesting enough plot (don't care if it's a retread, all shows are retreads at this point in time). However, I subtracted 1 for the video game ploy, minus another for the out-of-the-blue beaming, minus another point for the ####### amateur camera wielding. They're using $100,000 cameras with stabilization and focus features most photographers would kill for, not using that because of trendy imitation is annoying.

Oh, and plus 1 point for fat O'Neill. I wasn't even sure it was him until he started talking.
9-1-1-1+1=7

And to throw fuel on the fire, Carter was hot, still is hot(bad lighting in this ep.), Tayla was fugly, the women in SGU are all fine so far.
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Old October 5 2009, 07:07 AM   #411
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And to throw fuel on the fire, Carter was hot, still is hot(bad lighting in this ep.), Tayla was fugly, the women in SGU are all fine so far.
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Old October 5 2009, 08:25 AM   #412
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Re: SG-U – Air I and II (1x01/02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I was unsure about Universe, everything leading up to it made me doubt the direction they were going in. Having finally seen it, i still have my issues with the show.

The biggest problem with Universe is its camerawork and direction. It was filmed exactly like Battlestar Galactica. I'm beginning to think that every director needs someone to go round to their house, smack them on the head and tell them that shaky cam does not automatically equal tension.

The random sex scene was also jarring, and felt as out of place as Sha're's nudity in Children of the Gods. It just wasnt necessary and did nothing to serve the plot. There are better ways to establish your show as a more adult program.

On the plus side, i actually liked Eli Wallace, Dr. Rush looks to be a more interesting source of conflict than simply introducing another Big Evil Alien Empire. And the last ten minutes of the show did a far better job of establishing it as a Stargate series than the rest of the episode.

I'll be watching the next episode anyway. I just hope that they can get away from emulating the craptacular Battlestar Galactica soon.
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Old October 5 2009, 04:37 PM   #413
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Re: SG-U – Air I and II (1x01/02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

I don't think it was that random. The Character of 2Lt Vanessa James look is supposed to be in most of the episodes and Scott looks to be getting close to Chloe. As discipline continues to break down, personal problems will become more of an issue.
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Old October 5 2009, 06:25 PM   #414
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Re: SG-U – Air I and II (1x01/02) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

Didn't mind it. The attack on the base was cool, would have liked to see more air to air fighting and the Hammond not having beams was rubbish. Also why they didn't bother to put up two or three SAM sites around the air strip is insane or maybe the Air Forces loves the retro-chic look of using AAA batteries.

Didn't mind Eli and Rush and the angry black guy was at least somewhat entertaining. Scott on the other hand...I did wish that him and the senator swapped places. He was dull and boring.

I was going to give it a 7 but then I realised I don't remember seeing one wormhole transition effect. What the hell? Maybe I blinked and missed it but how could they have not had the travelling through the wormhole scene? I think it would have been a much better start than the immediate reveal of the ship. You see a cool wormhole journey, guy gets shot out and you save the big reveal of the ship for a bit later. Or at the very least when Scott first went through or when the Colonel put fired through or as the last scene of the episode, step into wormhole, wormhole travel scene, credits. I am immensely disappointed in there not been a wormhole travelling scene in the pilot of a Stargate show and took off 4 points out of disgust.

If there was one and I somehow missed it then it would get a seven from me.

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Old October 5 2009, 06:51 PM   #415
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So far my only observation is about Chloe: She'd better not become anyone's love interest too fast. She's the sort of character whom you expect that from, and I'm really hoping they find something more interesting to do with her.
I agree. It looks like she's going to be pulled between Eli and Scott, but I sure as hell hope she doesn't turn out to be some feather-brained twit about it like Kate from Lost.

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[...], my immediate thought was there was a mole in the Base, and that mole was the senator. I was soooooo surprised when (1) he turned out not to be the mole, [...]
Why does there have to be a mole and how do you know he's not it?

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I hope the Lucian alliance angle will not be ignored and whether there is a traitor among them.
I didn't get any impressions of a traitor. Why does there have to a traitor?

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[Rush] was presented with an emergency situation in which he faced losing the Icarus base forever - he establishes in dialogue this is the only place that the 9-symbol address can be dialled from. He has a working Stargate in front of him, a legitimate reason not to dial Earth, and an idea how to make the 9-symbol address work.

Put that together, and you have a scientist desperate not to see his work vaporised when he's this close to figuring it out. Maybe, in retrospect, a dumb decision, but a completely believable one in context.

He knew more about the situation later on because he spent most of the two-parter standing at a control console while everyone else was wandering around or playing with the flying MALPs. He had a chance to look through tonnes of stuff about the ship in that time.
This is the same way I interpreted the storyline.


As for the 'bad' soldier ..., I really hope they give him some kind of storyline. 'why was in in the brig?' 'why is he angry?'

I hate one-dimensional 'angry' characters just to have some conflict. I think the show has the potential for enough conflict without bringing this guy in to prop up weak storylines.
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Old October 5 2009, 07:44 PM   #416
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One may as well look at Doctor Beckett and ask "who the hell is this guy and why didn't they drop his name in SG-1 prior to Atlantis starting? The only doctor we know about is Dr. Fraisier"
Extensive knowledge of Ancient culture and technology strikes me as far rarer than skill as a medical doctor. Of course, this franchise was sloppy about doctors, too, with the unbelievable wunderkid Keller played by Jewel Staite on Stargate Atlantis. But I digress. You make a weak argument here.

Dr. Rush was not mentioned in Stargate SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis because Stargate Universe did not exist yet. It really is that simple.
Well, of course it's that simple. I didn't deny the fact in my original post. I stated it out right.

But consider, say, 'Arthur's Mantle' on Stargate SG-1. Two members of SG-1, arguably two of the most valuable people in the entire program, disappear while fiddling with an ancient device. And who does the SGC bring in? The babbling Dr. Lee, who makes for a good laugh. But we laugh because he clearly doesn't know what he's doing. And we're supposed to believe that Landry wouldn't have brought in the highly knowledgable Rush in a hearbeat? All we need from the writers is a decent explanation why Rush couldn't have been brought in all the times his character would have been convenient in the past. But, as of yet, nothing. Sloppy. Writing.
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Old October 5 2009, 07:55 PM   #417
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That's because the SCC already had Carter and Jackson there - two top "minds" and Dr. Lee may or may not be a 'top mind' but apparently he has a job to do and he was there.

Dr. Rush could have been anywhere at the time - the Alpha or Beta site (both of which have been mentioned numerous times over the years or in DC where, apparently Carter was for two years before Jackson figured out the symbols in ... less than a week? - then went to Abidos without her.
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Old October 5 2009, 08:00 PM   #418
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Fat chance. I'm ahead in line.

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That's because the SCC already had Carter and Jackson there - two top "minds" and Dr. Lee may or may not be a 'top mind' but apparently he has a job to do and he was there.

Dr. Rush could have been anywhere at the time - the Alpha or Beta site (both of which have been mentioned numerous times over the years or in DC where, apparently Carter was for two years before Jackson figured out the symbols in ... less than a week? - then went to Abidos without her.
In the course of that episode both Dr. Jackson and Col. Carter end up disappearing, due to the device. Dr. Lee's 'brilliance' almost drains all the power from the device, leaving them permanently out of phase forever.

But I won't carry this point any further. Carry on. Looking online, it looks like Rush's history will be the focus of later episodes. We'll see what the writers do with him.
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Come on people Dr. Lee was just there for a little comic relief, don't overanalyze his existence. It's kind of like Klinger on M*A*S*H, nobody would act like that and get away with it for very long.
As for Rush, his history will come out in time, and I'm sure it will be plausable. For all we know he was a professor at a University and they recruited him just for the Icarus project.
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