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Old September 24 2009, 10:01 PM   #1
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Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

Not to be outdone by todays stellar... well.. lunar announcement, the Mars folks have announced direct observation of water ice near fresh impact craters.

Story here.
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Old September 24 2009, 10:38 PM   #2
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

They are finding water all over the solar system today!
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Old September 24 2009, 10:50 PM   #3
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

But are they finding any drop to drink?
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Old September 25 2009, 12:29 AM   #4
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

Dunno, but they're saying that if Vikings scoop had dropped 4 inches further, it would have struck ice.

Makes you wonder if someone is dusting off the results of the Viking life detection experiment...

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Old September 25 2009, 01:22 AM   #5
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

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Dunno, but they're saying that if Vikings scoop had dropped 4 inches further, it would have stuck ice.

Makes you wonder if someone is dusting off the results of the Viking life detection experiment...
Makes you wonder if some information was "classified for national security reasons".


Shame Obama is killing our return to the moon.
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Old September 25 2009, 01:27 AM   #6
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

Shame Obama is killing our return to the moon.
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Old September 25 2009, 02:07 AM   #7
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Shame Obama is killing our return to the moon.
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NASA's embattled Constellation moon program, thought by many to be on life support in the face of ongoing budget cuts, is technically feasible, "soundly" managed, and capable of putting American astronauts back on the moon as planned in the 2020s, the chairman of a manned space review said Tuesday.


But if the Obama administration and Congress fail to restore some $3 billion in lost funding, he said, NASA will be unable to return to the moon or venture beyond the confines of low-Earth orbit.
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Old September 25 2009, 02:18 AM   #8
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

^ Wow! I can't seem to find the sentence where it says he killed it? Thanks for the FUD.
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Old September 25 2009, 02:33 AM   #9
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^ Wow! I can't seem to find the sentence where it says he killed it? Thanks for the FUD.
No one does anything in his admin with out his say so.
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

But if the Obama administration and Congress fail to restore some $3 billion in lost funding, he said, NASA will be unable to return to the moon or venture beyond the confines of low-Earth orbit.
Do you not understand the highlighted word?
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Old September 25 2009, 02:38 AM   #11
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But if the Obama administration and Congress fail to restore some $3 billion in lost funding, he said, NASA will be unable to return to the moon or venture beyond the confines of low-Earth orbit.
Do you not understand the highlighted word?
Yes, it means that the money has already been pulled. Government never gives money back once it takes it away...


Besides, He's got Cash for Clunkers, the bailout, and UHC to pay for. He can't give that money back now.
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Old September 25 2009, 05:41 AM   #12
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As sad as it makes me to say this, I think we can kiss the moon project goodbye for now. It would be extremely naive to think any president sitting in these conditions would allow it. And while I think it is actually exactly what we need right now, it is a hard sell politically speaking.
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Old September 25 2009, 05:49 AM   #13
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

This water stuff is exactly the kind of thing that could tip the balance politically.

Politicians don't really care about science. They care about perception. If this water thing renews interest in the moon project, the politicians will increase support for it. Simple as that.
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Old September 25 2009, 06:02 AM   #14
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

Good point! Now if we could even find one microbe of life on Mars, we are set....

I know, I know, wishful thinking. I hope water gives as much a boost to the political situation as possible.
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Old September 25 2009, 06:24 AM   #15
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Re: Study of fresh martian craters reveals water ice!

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But if the Obama administration and Congress fail to restore some $3 billion in lost funding, he said, NASA will be unable to return to the moon or venture beyond the confines of low-Earth orbit.
Do you not understand the highlighted word?
Yes, it means that the money has already been pulled. Government never gives money back once it takes it away...


Besides, He's got Cash for Clunkers, the bailout, and UHC to pay for. He can't give that money back now.
Actually, if you had read the Augustine Commission's report, you would know that the $3 billion was NEVER ADDED to NASA's budget. It's a shortfall in funds since the Constellation program was started, long before Obama took office. The question is if Obama will decide to makeup that shortfall. Admittedly, it doesn't look good, but at least wait until he pulls that trigger.
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