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Old February 1 2010, 04:54 PM   #271
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Re: Obama Space Plan: Return to Moon: "No Go"

That's why Obama is increasing NASA's funding to develop a new heavy-lift capability. It's one step towards pushing out further.

Everything I've read about this decision suggests that it is strongly aligned with the recommendations of the Augustine Commission.
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Old February 1 2010, 05:09 PM   #272
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Re: Obama Space Plan: Return to Moon: "No Go"

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Governments push back the frontier. Private enterprise follows.

While private enterprise moving to LEO is indeed part of that pattern, governments should continue the outward push, like say... to the moon, Mars, and beyond. The cancellation of Constellation will do nothing but keep us stagnant, lose jobs, lose chances at new amazing technology, and be one less circus to amuse the plebs.
NASA will be getting other people into the LEO game so they can focus on other things. Unless you want to double the budget of the agency (and given how your name has the word "geek" in it, I'm probably preaching to the choir), NASA can't do both.

The idea of going to the moon is great. But it costs money. NASA never got what it was promised and now has to make up for the past 5 years of being underfunded. We can't spend a billion dollars every few months to taxi a astronaut to the ISS and develop a next gen spacecraft and do everything else Congress wants NASA do to. This is just the natural course of evolution. Hell, by this point private enterprises were supposed to be involved in space anyway.
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Old February 1 2010, 05:17 PM   #273
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Re: Obama Space Plan: Return to Moon: "No Go"

And let me just say.. one more time.. I predicted all of this back in 2004 If there are live archives, I can prove it.

Good riddance, Constellation.
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Old February 1 2010, 05:57 PM   #274
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NASA will be getting other people into the LEO game so they can focus on other things. Unless you want to double the budget of the agency (and given how your name has the word "geek" in it, I'm probably preaching to the choir), NASA can't do both.
Yeah, but Constellation was the keystone to beyond LEO. (Need Atlas V Heavy to go man rated though!) They could build fewer, go farther, and let private enterprise service ISS and do other LEO things. Bigelow Aerospace is already on that like stink on a monkey, not to mention the other efforts.

And yes, you are preaching to the choir. As a kid, there were two times that I stood on the grass in view of the firing room shutters and felt 100% liquid fueled thunder.
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Old February 1 2010, 06:01 PM   #275
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Constellation was a broken keystone. The HLV they will be developing now is much more likely to succeed.
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Old February 1 2010, 06:36 PM   #276
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Yeah, but the HLV is not the spacecraft. It's back to the drawing board (once funded, if ever), for the vehicles that will take humanity to the moon and beyond, because none of the private LEO jobs will.

Hey Rutan, hurry up with Tier 6, willya? LOL
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Old February 1 2010, 07:37 PM   #277
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Constellation was a broken keystone. The HLV they will be developing now is much more likely to succeed.
I'm with Sojourner here. Constellation was never going to work without a bigger budget. If it was politically possible to get it the bigger budget, then why not go for a budget that's a bit bigger than that, and produce something that's more than an updated Apollo (not an entirely bad idea) stuck on top of the worst aspects of the Shuttle system?
But the bigger budget wasn't there. Better to cancel it than commit NASA to another few decades of another system that's been sabotaged on day one by underfunding.
How the alternatives will work work... I can only hope well.
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Old February 1 2010, 07:58 PM   #278
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The only upside I see to this is that somewhere, Jake Garn is crying over Thiokol not making any more SRB segments.
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Old February 1 2010, 10:20 PM   #279
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Re: Obama Space Plan: Return to Moon: "No Go"

FY 2011 Budget
› FY 2011 Budget Overview (387 Kb PDF)
› Administrator Bolden's Statement (68 Kb)
› Deputy Administrator's Remarks at the OSTP Budget Announcement (68 Kb)
› Office of Management and Budget: FY 2011 NASA Fact Sheet→
› NASA Budget Details From OMB→
› Joint Statement From NASA Administrator Bolden and John P. Holden, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy (112 Kb PDF)
› Joint NASA-OSTP Factsheet (70 Kb PDF)
› Statement from Buzz Aldrin: A New Direction in Space (13 Kb PDF)
› Statement From Norman R. Augustine (11 Kb PDF)

Feb. 1, 2010 FY 2011 NASA Budget Teleconference
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Old February 2 2010, 02:13 AM   #280
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And I am certain that buried in those documents is your paystub.
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Old February 2 2010, 02:43 AM   #281
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Old February 2 2010, 02:48 AM   #282
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I'm personally really angry that the budget contains no money for the Constellation Program.
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Old February 2 2010, 02:55 AM   #283
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I'm personally really angry that the budget contains no money for the Constellation Program.
GM and Chrysler were a priority
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Old February 2 2010, 04:02 AM   #284
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Re: Obama Space Plan: Return to Moon: "No Go"

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I'm personally really angry that the budget contains no money for the Constellation Program.
Why? The last 5 didn't really have any money for it either.
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I'm personally really angry that the budget contains no money for the Constellation Program.
GM and Chrysler were a priority
GM has also paid back their debt.
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Old February 2 2010, 04:18 AM   #285
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Graywand2 wrote: View Post
I'm personally really angry that the budget contains no money for the Constellation Program.
Why? The last 5 didn't really have any money for it either.
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I'm personally really angry that the budget contains no money for the Constellation Program.
GM and Chrysler were a priority
GM has also paid back their debt.
Not yet. GM is hoping to have it paid off by June.
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