Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander - Page 4

Chaos Descending · September 9 2009, 10:43 PM

JB2005 wrote:

Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain

True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.

anyone else of the same rank is referred to as mister...

Not at all true. No one above the rank of Lt. Commander would ever be called "Mister".

bluedana · September 10 2009, 12:33 AM

"Whadda they call you back on Vulcan, boy?"
"They call me . . .MISTER Spock!"

(In The Heat of the Night - go rent it.)

InklingStar · September 10 2009, 02:07 AM

Timo wrote:

We have met several pipless, enlisted nurses or medtechs in the TNG era where Ensigns stand out clearly due to their collar pips. Yet the prominent head nurse of Dr. Crusher, Nurse Ogawa, was an Ensign.

Not to mention she was promoted to Lieutenant JG near the end of TNG.

T'Girl · September 10 2009, 02:29 AM

Chaos Descending wrote:

JB2005 wrote:

Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain

True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.

It not unusual for aircraft carriers to have up to thirteen officers with the rank of "captain".
There is only one 'captain of the ship', since everyone on board knows who that is, everyone who is a captain is refered to by correct rank. At least in the U.S. Navy.

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Agenda · September 10 2009, 03:13 AM

Green Shirt wrote:

Even Leila Kalomi called him Mister.

Ya, and that was kreepy.

Admiral_Young · September 10 2009, 04:46 AM

I don't want to turn this into a racist thread but could it also have something to do with this? Certainally in the case of Styles outburst perhaps. I don't think the other crew members were racist towards Spock, with the exception of maybe mocking him occasionally about his Vulcan heritage but that was probably meant as ribbing to provoke emotion.

Captain Robert April · September 10 2009, 05:10 AM

T'Girl wrote:

Chaos Descending wrote:

JB2005 wrote:

Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain

True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.

It not unusual for aircraft carriers to have up to thirteen officers with the rank of "captain".
There is only one 'captain of the ship', since everyone on board knows who that is, everyone who is a captain is refered to by correct rank. At least in the U.S. Navy.

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Isn't the captain of an aircraft carrier typically a rear admiral?

T'Girl · September 10 2009, 06:05 AM

[/QUOTE].....Isn't the captain of an aircraft carrier typically a rear admiral?.....[/QUOTE]

The captain commands the carrier. The admiral commands the carrier task force, which is the carrier and all the escorts, support ships and usual a submarine. The admiral does this from the carrier, but he isn't directly in command of it.

Chaos Descending · September 10 2009, 09:06 PM

T'Girl wrote:

Chaos Descending wrote:

JB2005 wrote:

Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain

True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.

It not unusual for aircraft carriers to have up to thirteen officers with the rank of "captain".
There is only one 'captain of the ship', since everyone on board knows who that is, everyone who is a captain is refered to by correct rank. At least in the U.S. Navy.

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Nimitz did not have anywhere near 13 O-6 Captains when I was aboard, but my Department Head (Reactor Officer) was one of them. And yes, we did call him "Captain Davidson".

Ronald Held · September 10 2009, 09:33 PM

On a carrier, how many of the rank of Captain are customary?

T'Girl · September 10 2009, 11:00 PM

Including the various air wings onboard and the division head who could be captains of that billet/position, I believe it is thirteen.

Captain Robert April · September 10 2009, 11:10 PM

Y'know, if they all got together on the bridge and, say, the helmsman had to get the attention of the ship's skipper, it might get a tad confusing.

Timewalker · September 11 2009, 12:54 AM

Spock occasionally called Uhura "Miss Uhura." As for why Spock was called "Mister Spock," Amanda stated in "Journey to Babel" and Spock also stated in "This Side of Paradise" that humans are not generally capable of pronouncing the Vulcan family name. It's a compromise so other people don't have to struggle to pronounce a long surname that likely doesn't have many (or any) vowels.

As for names and ranks, what's with everybody except Janeway being on first-name basis in Voyager? Janeway calls everybody by their first name, no matter if they're on duty or not. And Harry Kim, addressing Tuvok as just "Tuvok" without either "Mister" or his rank...?

Duncan MacLeod · September 11 2009, 12:59 AM

Captain Robert April wrote:

Y'know, if they all got together on the bridge and, say, the helmsman had to get the attention of the ship's skipper, it might get a tad confusing.

Not at all. The helmsman probably knows the Captain's name, and is bright enough to use it in this situation.

Admiral_Young · September 11 2009, 01:04 AM

Also I find it somewhat amusing that Leonard's credited as Mr. Spock on the opening credits as well. Are we making a big deal about this?

September 10 2009, 12:33 AM	#47
bluedana Moderator Location: on the raggedy edge with bluedana	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander "Whadda they call you back on Vulcan, boy?" "They call me . . .MISTER Spock!" (In The Heat of the Night - go rent it.) __________________ Fall seven times. Stand up eight. -- Japanese proverb.

September 10 2009, 04:46 AM	#51
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander I don't want to turn this into a racist thread but could it also have something to do with this? Certainally in the case of Styles outburst perhaps. I don't think the other crew members were racist towards Spock, with the exception of maybe mocking him occasionally about his Vulcan heritage but that was probably meant as ribbing to provoke emotion. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

September 10 2009, 06:05 AM	#53
T'Girl Vice Admiral	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander [/QUOTE].....Isn't the captain of an aircraft carrier typically a rear admiral?.....[/QUOTE] The captain commands the carrier. The admiral commands the carrier task force, which is the carrier and all the escorts, support ships and usual a submarine. The admiral does this from the carrier, but he isn't directly in command of it.

September 10 2009, 09:33 PM	#55
Ronald Held Rear Admiral Location: On the USS Sovereign	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander On a carrier, how many of the rank of Captain are customary?

September 10 2009, 11:00 PM	#56
T'Girl Vice Admiral	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander Including the various air wings onboard and the division head who could be captains of that billet/position, I believe it is thirteen.

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September 10 2009, 11:10 PM	#57
Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Location: In selfless service to fandom, on the road to becoming a Star Trek trivia god...	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander Y'know, if they all got together on the bridge and, say, the helmsman had to get the attention of the ship's skipper, it might get a tad confusing.

September 11 2009, 12:54 AM	#58
Timewalker Commodore Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander Spock occasionally called Uhura "Miss Uhura." As for why Spock was called "Mister Spock," Amanda stated in "Journey to Babel" and Spock also stated in "This Side of Paradise" that humans are not generally capable of pronouncing the Vulcan family name. It's a compromise so other people don't have to struggle to pronounce a long surname that likely doesn't have many (or any) vowels. As for names and ranks, what's with everybody except Janeway being on first-name basis in Voyager? Janeway calls everybody by their first name, no matter if they're on duty or not. And Harry Kim, addressing Tuvok as just "Tuvok" without either "Mister" or his rank...? __________________ "Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

September 11 2009, 01:04 AM	#60
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander Also I find it somewhat amusing that Leonard's credited as Mr. Spock on the opening credits as well. Are we making a big deal about this? __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.