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Old September 9 2009, 10:43 PM   #46
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Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander

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Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain
True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.

anyone else of the same rank is referred to as mister...
Not at all true. No one above the rank of Lt. Commander would ever be called "Mister".
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Old September 10 2009, 12:33 AM   #47
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Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander

"Whadda they call you back on Vulcan, boy?"
"They call me . . .MISTER Spock!"

(In The Heat of the Night - go rent it.)
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Old September 10 2009, 02:07 AM   #48
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We have met several pipless, enlisted nurses or medtechs in the TNG era where Ensigns stand out clearly due to their collar pips. Yet the prominent head nurse of Dr. Crusher, Nurse Ogawa, was an Ensign.
Not to mention she was promoted to Lieutenant JG near the end of TNG.
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Old September 10 2009, 02:29 AM   #49
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Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain
True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.
It not unusual for aircraft carriers to have up to thirteen officers with the rank of "captain".
There is only one 'captain of the ship', since everyone on board knows who that is, everyone who is a captain is refered to by correct rank. At least in the U.S. Navy.

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Old September 10 2009, 03:13 AM   #50
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Even Leila Kalomi called him Mister.
Ya, and that was kreepy.
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Old September 10 2009, 04:46 AM   #51
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Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander

I don't want to turn this into a racist thread but could it also have something to do with this? Certainally in the case of Styles outburst perhaps. I don't think the other crew members were racist towards Spock, with the exception of maybe mocking him occasionally about his Vulcan heritage but that was probably meant as ribbing to provoke emotion.
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Old September 10 2009, 05:10 AM   #52
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Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain
True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.
It not unusual for aircraft carriers to have up to thirteen officers with the rank of "captain".
There is only one 'captain of the ship', since everyone on board knows who that is, everyone who is a captain is refered to by correct rank. At least in the U.S. Navy.

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Isn't the captain of an aircraft carrier typically a rear admiral?
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Old September 10 2009, 06:05 AM   #53
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[/QUOTE].....Isn't the captain of an aircraft carrier typically a rear admiral?.....[/QUOTE]


The captain commands the carrier. The admiral commands the carrier task force, which is the carrier and all the escorts, support ships and usual a submarine. The admiral does this from the carrier, but he isn't directly in command of it.
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Old September 10 2009, 09:06 PM   #54
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Because they were both Captains, naval tradition is that only the commander of a ship is called captain
True, sort of. Not really stuck to much these days.
It not unusual for aircraft carriers to have up to thirteen officers with the rank of "captain".
There is only one 'captain of the ship', since everyone on board knows who that is, everyone who is a captain is refered to by correct rank. At least in the U.S. Navy.

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Nimitz did not have anywhere near 13 O-6 Captains when I was aboard, but my Department Head (Reactor Officer) was one of them. And yes, we did call him "Captain Davidson".
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Old September 10 2009, 09:33 PM   #55
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On a carrier, how many of the rank of Captain are customary?
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Old September 10 2009, 11:00 PM   #56
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Including the various air wings onboard and the division head who could be captains of that billet/position, I believe it is thirteen.
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Old September 10 2009, 11:10 PM   #57
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Y'know, if they all got together on the bridge and, say, the helmsman had to get the attention of the ship's skipper, it might get a tad confusing.
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Old September 11 2009, 12:54 AM   #58
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Re: Mr. Spock instead of Sir or Commander

Spock occasionally called Uhura "Miss Uhura." As for why Spock was called "Mister Spock," Amanda stated in "Journey to Babel" and Spock also stated in "This Side of Paradise" that humans are not generally capable of pronouncing the Vulcan family name. It's a compromise so other people don't have to struggle to pronounce a long surname that likely doesn't have many (or any) vowels.

As for names and ranks, what's with everybody except Janeway being on first-name basis in Voyager? Janeway calls everybody by their first name, no matter if they're on duty or not. And Harry Kim, addressing Tuvok as just "Tuvok" without either "Mister" or his rank...?
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Old September 11 2009, 12:59 AM   #59
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Y'know, if they all got together on the bridge and, say, the helmsman had to get the attention of the ship's skipper, it might get a tad confusing.
Not at all. The helmsman probably knows the Captain's name, and is bright enough to use it in this situation.
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Old September 11 2009, 01:04 AM   #60
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Also I find it somewhat amusing that Leonard's credited as Mr. Spock on the opening credits as well. Are we making a big deal about this?
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